So the new gen7 whipple numbers are out........

[MAGS1]

Perhaps, but it does say on the Hennessey website that they calibrated it with "HPE Engine Management Software", whatever that is

I believe that is Hennessey’s software. I would be interested to know how they did it. I have a hunch they paid Ford for access but if anyone knows the Hennessey guys it would be interesting to know for sure.

And my knowledge of the system and its ability to be hacked or not is limited to various articles I’ve read. Based on what I’ve read, the system can detect it’s been messed with and either shut itself down or phone home to Ford and Ford will do it. So Ford has obviously given access to Whipple to override whatever system setting that is so that their tune works (or Whipple wrote their tune, sent it to Ford, Ford wrote the override then sent it back to Whipple). I would think Hennessey would need something similar.

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[308 Cal. Bullitt]

You all let us know when the appropriate dedicated team is on the job lol. We'll pick this back up next January.

The dedicated team is on their way.
Once they get to Vivid Racing in Phx, & have access to keyboards, it won't be long.

Last we heard, the group was moving thru the Darian Gap. They gotta stop in Mexico City to do a qwik job for some guy named Billy Gates... & then its the 7g stuff...

 

[robvas]

It matters when people are talking about how sad, and dissapointing and blah blah blah the new Whipple setup is. The DH will be capable of making more power reliably, than any 5.0 before it. Hennessey seems to already be able to tune it...

https://www.hennesseymedia.com/pres...horsepower-h850-2024-ford-mustang-dark-horse/

have they built any of these yet or is this just a "will be available"

 

[SheepDog]

have they built any of these yet or is this just a "will be available"

Not sure

 

[MAGS1]

Not sure

So, taking a quick flip through Hennessey social media (Instagram mostly), they do a fair amount of stumping for Ford Performance, especially as of late. So I’m wondering if they’ve partnered with Ford this go around. HPE is Hennessey Performance Engineering, so the software is Hennessey. They do C8’s as well, which has similar software security.

They have an inquire now button but I’m not sure that they’ve actually done one yet. They certainly haven’t posted one on their social media yet.

 

[SheepDog]

So, taking a quick flip through Hennessey social media (Instagram mostly), they do a fair amount of stumping for Ford Performance, especially as of late. So I’m wondering if they’ve partnered with Ford this go around. HPE is Hennessey Performance Engineering, so the software is Hennessey. They do C8’s as well, which has similar software security.

They have an inquire now button but I’m not sure that they’ve actually done one yet. They certainly haven’t posted one on their social media yet.

Kinda seems shitty if Ford is only going to allow "certain" aftermarket companies access to the goods. I get that their is a ton of liability on Ford (From the EPA) to prevent all these naughty Mustang owners from driving modified Ford's around that don't pass emissions. I would imagine that a large number of Mustang sales, are to people that have or intend on modifying them. Considering that the S650 is already a turd, that is going to cut pretty deep into their sales if that group won't even consider buying them if no one can tune them. I certainly wouldn't have bought this MACH1 if I knew I had to leave it stock.

 

[engineermike]

I’d bet lunch that Hennessey is just installing Whipple kits and, at the most, rebranding the programming software, hardware, or both.

 

[engineermike]

…I would imagine that a large number of Mustang sales, are to people that have or intend on modifying them...

If you listen to Brian Wolfe talk, ford *used to* understand this concept well and embraced it. I do believe this is a big part of why Mustang sales left challenger and Camaro behind in the last several years.

I guess now that Camaro is dead and challenger is going electric they don’t have to worry about losing market to competitors anymore so they are free to lock it down.

 

[MAGS1]

If you listen to Brian Wolfe talk, ford *used to* understand this concept well and embraced it. I do believe this is a big part of why Mustang sales left challenger and Camaro behind in the last several years.

I guess now that Camaro is dead and challenger is going electric they don’t have to worry about losing market to competitors anymore so they are free to lock it down.

I still think it’s EPA driven. EPA probably told these manufacturers to make it as difficult as possible so that the vehicles can’t be modified to the point where they’re non-compliant with current EPA regulations.

 

[SheepDog]

If you listen to Brian Wolfe talk, ford *used to* understand this concept well and embraced it. I do believe this is a big part of why Mustang sales left challenger and Camaro behind in the last several years.

I guess now that Camaro is dead and challenger is going electric they don’t have to worry about losing market to competitors anymore so they are free to lock it down.

Indeed.
BMW, Stelantis, GM all have "locked down" PCM's as well, but all can be tuned once you send it in, to be unlocked.

 

[MAGS1]

I’d bet lunch that Hennessey is just installing Whipple kits and, at the most, rebranding the programming software, hardware, or both.

You could be on to something there Mike. Here’s from Hennessey’s website for S550. Note the VMP blower under the hood…

 

[wazslow]

I’d bet lunch that Hennessey is just installing Whipple kits and, at the most, rebranding the programming software, hardware, or both.

Agreed 100%

 

[larr12]

Im surprise Hennessey is still around after scamming so many people.

 

[WD Pro]

Ford and the S650 …

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[Angrey]

There's a whole host of things that wouldn't shock me with Hennessy's claim.

A) That it's not their proprietary tune at all, they're simply buying the whipple partnered system from them and installing it.

Ford and the S650 …

WD

I'm curious if anyone has ever read the fine print of the agreements as to confidentiality and privilege to information they collect. It's not wildly speculative that if they're collecting speed and braking information, it could be used against you somewhere down the road. (like the insurance safe driving modules).

It may be paranoid and conspiracist, but I don't want any 3rd parties tracking how many times I brake hard or accelerate hard or what speeds I choose to drive.

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