SCT vs COBB vs LMS??

[EcoSwag1990]

They developed a tune for a stock car and then cars with varying levels of modifications. This would still be considered a custom canned (off-the-shelf) tune.

With an e-tune, you record datalogs, send your tuner those datalogs, and then they individually adjust your tune based on your specific car. An e-tune is like a dyno tune except it's done on the road by datalogs.

The custom canned tunes that LMS offers is more of a global custom file that can be ran on a different variety of cars in different scenarios. For instance, you might have great quality gas at your local stations whereas mine might be mediocre. Now, with better gas, your car might be able to run 10° of ignition timing advance. Mine might only be able to 5° advance. So, with LMS knowing this, they might only set the tune to a max of 5° advance on the timing to make it safe for me, you, and everyone else because it'll be operating under a wider set of variables.

With the e-tune, your tune will be tailored to your car in your environment with your quality gas, etc. With a canned (OTS) tune (whether custom or from the tuning device manufacturer), they'll usually be a bit more conservative tunes to be safe for everyone to use. With a more conservative tune, you might be leaving a little hp/tq on the table whereas with a tailored e-tune you can maximize your tune to perform the best that your car can. If your fine with having a safe, more conservative tune then an canned (OTS) style tune will work just great. However, if you want every last bit of horsepower and torque available, then an e-tune or dyno tune will be your best bet.

You can do e-tunes and dyno tunes with a variety of tuners for the Cobb and SCT hardware. You can do dyno tunes at LMS with their hardware.

Thanks for the explanation. I wasnt thinking about the difference in the way we were using the term "etune". WMS can do dyno or etune for $400 which seems to be the fixed SCT tuning price

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[greg hazlett]

Keep in mind lms tune was a race gas tune not available to the public so for them to say there the fastest is right but wrong at the same time being that tune will not be realised. I feel to end this giant debate on who is the best there needs to be 3 cars with bolt ones downpipe, intercooler, cai,full cat back and tune 1 car by each tuner cobb with pro tune, sct by unleashed and lms all customers cars with tunes available to the public. I will offer my car for the cobb side and will travel to Mir from Minnesota to be part of this long going battle.

Great choice in tracks! Best IMO!

 

[EcoSnake]

If going with just a tune and keeping everything else stock ide go with lms. They have a aggressive ots tune. If modding beyond stock ide get the cobb and a pro tune.

 

[JJ@WMS]

Thanks for the explanation. I wasnt thinking about the difference in the way we were using the term "etune". WMS can do dyno or etune for $400 which seems to be the fixed SCT tuning price

Our email tuning fee is $185 if you already have an SCT Tuning device and it comes with free lifetime tune revisions at no extra cost.

The MAP pricing on the XCAL4 device is $399. Better pricing is available via one of our packages or thru forum member discounts, all you have to do is call to get that discounted price.

Thank you,

JJ

 

[foghat]

Keep in mind lms tune was a race gas tune not available to the public so for them to say there the fastest is right but wrong at the same time being that tune will not be realised. I feel to end this giant debate on who is the best there needs to be 3 cars with bolt ones downpipe, intercooler, cai,full cat back and tune 1 car by each tuner cobb with pro tune, sct by unleashed and lms all customers cars with tunes available to the public. I will offer my car for the cobb side and will travel to Mir from Minnesota to be part of this long going battle.

Imo, To tell what tune has the most go, you should only use one car. Load 1st tune, hit the track and dyno, record results. Load 2nd tune do the same thing, then 3rd. Do it all on the same day using the same driver and dyno.

Would be awesome if some 3rd party were willing to do this.

 

[15svo]

How ever it would work out I would offer up my car so we can put this to rest so that poor horse stops getting beat.

 

[Voodoo Mamba]

Why leave out Bama and Lund?

Keep in mind lms tune was a race gas tune not available to the public so for them to say there the fastest is right but wrong at the same time being that tune will not be realised. I feel to end this giant debate on who is the best there needs to be 3 cars with bolt ones downpipe, intercooler, cai,full cat back and tune 1 car by each tuner cobb with pro tune, sct by unleashed and lms all customers cars with tunes available to the public. I will offer my car for the cobb side and will travel to Mir from Minnesota to be part of this long going battle.

 

[greg hazlett]

Bama uses SCT so that would be covered.

Lund is using some hybrid of HP tuners and Hypertech...

 

[Voodoo Mamba]

ALL top tuners for this platform should have a shot. And IMO, it should be a bone stock EBM....aftermarket addons will only raise questions about competitors, start arguments, biased opinions on why that particular mod was used instead of this company, etc, etc. Stock with only the tune.

Bama uses SCT so that would be covered.

Lund is using some hybrid of HP tuners and Hypertech...

 

[greg hazlett]

Ugh....wow....what a mess that would to determine who the "top" tuners are..

 

[Voodoo Mamba]

"Top" would be the most recognized and respected tuners for this particular platform:

-Bama
-LMS
-Lund
-Unleashed
-Cobb
-?

Ugh....wow....what a mess that would to determine who the "top" tuners are..

 

[EcoSwag1990]

I would just say that one of those tuners is far more recognized for working on EB engines. And have a very good reputation for their tuning. They are all getting good numbers and look to be very diligent/reputable as tuners.

 

[greg hazlett]

See....I think there is a difference between "known" and best....and the two are not mutual.

There may be tuners whose names are not known who are very good with the EB platforms that will come out of the woodwork.

 

[Voodoo Mamba]

Yes they are..that's why hopefully a third party will actually do an unbiased tuner shootout and shut us all up lol :cheers:

I would just say that one of those tuners is far more recognized for working on EB engines. And have a very good reputation for their tuning. They are all getting good numbers and look to be very diligent/reputable as tuners.

 

[Juben]

See....I think there is a difference between "known" and best....and the two are not mutual.

There may be tuners whose names are not known who are very good with the EB platforms that will come out of the woodwork.

That's pretty accurate. Within the coming months, there's gonna be several tuners debut their EBM tunes who are well respected in the EcoBoost tuning community. Most of the members on here seem new to the EB platform, especially in regards to tuners, so it'll be interesting to see how this discussion has changed over the next year or so.

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