Cobb AP VS. SCTX4

[dsmisfits]

The difference is... People who buy from MAP or Unleashed can call or email Torrie or Adam and get immediate answers. The customer service and communication from both are amazing. Before I bought a single thing from Adam, he still proved helpful and honest, without trying to make an easy buck. That, combined with the incredible numbers and openly available information on their tunes, is why I went with Cobb. I've seen the exact same from Torrie, and hate I had to pick between the two because they're both running great businesses. Neither try to sell their products with race gas glory runs, but instead with dyno sheets, afr logs, boost logs, etc. I'm not saying LMS is junk... But if it's not, they should reach out to the community and provide the information about what our car will do with their tune, not YouTube 1/4 mile videos.

I have been working with Adam these last few days and his communications are clear and timely. I went with Cobb because of my local tuner and because I like the gauges and data logging features that come with the v3. Do your research like others have said and then pull the trigger. Either way you will be walking away with more power then what you have today, lol.

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[LeonBorden]

The jabs at LMS still seem a bit ridiculous. They have posted dyno sheets as well as video of them running their available tunes at the track. They also have customers getting similar results at the track. They have stated that their tune doesn't deviate more that 2% from stock boost levels. It seems like some here won't be happy until they just give up their whole tuning formula

Still seems to me like cobb just has a pretty device and minimal power increases until you get a protune. Not sure if I missed it but I'm pretty sure they haven't even posted any track times as they said they would months ago

Track times are seriously irrelevant. If that's the case, we should all go SCT since that's what Brad uses on his car running 11.10s... Chassis setup, tire, and weight is king on the strip.

You're taking also like "getting a pro tune" costs extra or is some hassle that's not readily available. OTS tunes aren't, or shouldn't be, an option for anybody.

Customers running 12.7s, and them running 11.8s or whatever is hardly "close to the same".

 

[Juben]

Neither try to sell their products with race gas glory runs

I'm pretty sure you're gonna give Anthony a hemorrhoid when he reads that statement. LOL

Anyways, questions like these need to be posed different. A better question would be, what tuner did you choose and why that one specifically?

 

[tittermary]

Track times are seriously irrelevant. If that's the case, we should all go SCT since that's what Brad uses on his car running 11.10s... Chassis setup, tire, and weight is king on the strip.

You're taking also like "getting a pro tune" costs extra or is some hassle that's not readily available. OTS tunes aren't, or shouldn't be, an option for anybody.

Customers running 12.7s, and them running 11.8s or whatever is hardly "close to the same".

lol with same set up you can pretty much run same times they did. least thats been my experience, any other tune trap 110 with a full weight car? just saying

 

[04SloSnake]

I would say it depends on your end state. If you want an intake, tune, and exhaust, I would go with Livernois. Their results on customer cars has been impressive. If you have big plans I would go with something more suited for a custom tune, such as AP or SCT. But like stated earlier, pick based on your tuner and not the hardware.

 

[Livernois Motorsports]

Firstly, thank you to all of you guys out there that shout us out, understand form over function and that experience is key. We appreciate your input.

Please allow me to address a few "not so accurate" claims.

1) Although the 2.3 from Mazda is a cousin to the 2.3 inside of the S550, the ECU's are light years apart. Think of it this way (especially you old Fox and Notch guys) The Mazda's ECU was like the EEC-IV ECU, whereas, the ECU inside of an EcoBoost especially inside of the 2nd gen EB cars (like the S550, 2015 F150 etc...) are like the computer that controlled the cars in "The Jetsons"! NO COMPARISON

2) With the exception of one other company, we are the only company that offers tuning options for basically the entire EcoBoost lineup of vehicles. Access and experience are INTEGRAL when it comes to tuning the EcoBoost platform. Nevermind the number of tables, the logic of the ECU is a killer. Think back to when you saw videos of all of the "tuners" that had their cars last May, June, July and August...before anyone could even purchase one. Remember all of the videos that you saw of multiple S550's on dynos, up on racks and sitting in garages? We got our car 2 weeks AFTER the car was publicly available. We actually drove our off of our local Ford store's showroom floor, and put it on our enclosed trailer. That day after we washed her up, we posted images of her all over our shop. Day 2, she was not even 24 hours old and we were doing scientific testing. Day 3, she was on the rollers being persuaded to talk to us by our head calibrator. Day 5, was our customer appreciation track day...you guys all saw my passes in her at 13.8. By day 8 we had tuning cracked, tested on our car and she had been to the track to make her 12.65 pass. Then, we had a small show called SEMA come up. We were right there next in the next aisle from Ford...we knew that Thursday we had a few of our guys out at Milan Dragway making testing passes. Our head calibrator was in our booth making corrections on his laptop. While Ford was busy reveling in their glory of the King Cobra...we get a call from our guys that we ran our 11.80 passes. We then notice a few Ford Racing guys huddle up, then approach us asking if it was true. They were floored! FAST FORWARD! A few weeks ago, a couple awesome business partners collaborate and drop an 11.777 on the world. Sweet, new record. But, our car was for all intensive purposes a stock car with a few normal track day upgrades. If this doesn't prove that knowing the ECU's logic is the key nothing ever will.

3) We get that you guys like gauges, we are a race car engineering firm nobody watches gauges more than we do. But you cannot accurately log or monitor ANYTHING through the OBDii port of the EcoBoost. We have tested this and proved it over and over and over again. Even a few of our clients on this board that are long time racers will attest to this. We have tried to offer a touchscreen monitoring device...it caused far more confusion and issues than it did remedies. We experienced the pitfalls of that setup and moved on. We do not require logging, because unlike most other tuning companies we actually own the cars that we tune. From the Chevy SS to the Cadillac XTS V, Ford Fusions to the F150 and from Hellcat to Challenger. Logging is needed whenever you do not have your car to use as a baseline.

Look at the issues with the more popular SC kits, we are days away from having tuning solutions for kits that we have no engineering insight to. Why you ask, we have cars to test strategies and tuning techniques on using our proprietary tuning technology.

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