Question about Performance Pack

[GForensic]

I'm considering the Performance Package but honestly more for the black wheels and Brembo brakes (Ruby Red GT Premium) I'm wondering if I would I be better off getting the Brembo's installed (Honestly I love the look with the black wheels) and after market wheels instead of the Performance Package. I will never track the car but would love to have some of the extra's although an extra $2500 is a little steep. I was also thinking I would like a better gas mileage and get the 3.55's so not sure which way to go.

Any input would be most helpful.

Thanks!!

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[Clink]

You'll have a hard time getting wheels/tires + aftermarket Brembo's for less than $2,500. Unless you go real cheap on the wheels which you probably don't want to. And that doesn't factor in the gauges and other suspension goodies....no brainer for me but I get it for those on the fence.

 

[GForensic]

Thanks for the response clink….That's what I was wondering the most is what the individual costs would be for each item. As much as I hate packages some times it usually is the better way to go if there are enough items in there. I am not a fan how many spokes the black wheels have but I do love the look with the Ruby Red Paint. Do I assume that the 3.73 gears will be worse on gas mileage?

 

[fender]

Just curious why the Perillis vs something like a Blizzak? I have always sworn by Blizzak, but am certainly open to different ideas (upstate NY so we get real winters here too).

Blizzak are excellent winter tires for one winter, the first winter, when you put them on after one season the following year, they are significantly lower in grip. After the second winter they are just another average winter tire. The Pirellis do not match the 1st year properties of the Blizzak but will last 4 seasons, which is about it for good winter tires ( might just squeeze 5 seasons out but would be pushing it) So in the long run I have settled with the Pirellis ….yes I did have Blizzaks but was disappointed into my 2nd year and the 3rd winter hated them…

 

[Clink]

3.73's may or may not be better/worse for gas mileage, depending on your driving style. It is very safe to assume if you don't have them now your mileage will go down just due to the difference in acceleration. I can take off from a dead stop in 2nd just fine, and do most of the time.

Honestly gas mileage is never an issue or concern for me, I'm not tuned but I still put the top 93 gas in my GT. If not I just saved what? $2 by getting 91?

For wheels, I looked at Vossen V3's and they aren't cheap...if you're going to go with SVE or AMR wheels you're in better shape but still $1,500 minimum, and I don't think the Brembo brakes will be had for less than $1k but could be wrong.

 

[Coyotestang13]

A lot of truth to that. When the torque peak is at 2200 RPM you really don't need to spin the motor. And believe me, short rear gears do hurt fuel economy. The difference between 3.15s and 3.55s in the real world is probably at least 2 mpg, maybe 3.

There is even a big difference going to 3.73 from 3.55. My last Mustang was a 2008 4.6 manual with the 3.55 and my 2013 5.0 3.73 with the Track Pack gets 2-3 mpg less on a tank and highway. Granted I drive the Coyote more aggressively and it is barely broken in and haven't been o on the highway much but with a similar highway rpm as my 5 speed it only gets 26. The 4.6 would get 28+mpg all day long.

 

[Coyotestang13]

Weird cause my 4.6 was rated 3 mpg lower highway than my 5.0.

 

[Dub347sbf]

A lot of truth to that. When the torque peak is at 2200 RPM you really don't need to spin the motor. And believe me, short rear gears do hurt fuel economy. The difference between 3.15s and 3.55s in the real world is probably at least 2 mpg, maybe 3.

Meh, I went from 3.27s to 4.10s in my 01 cobra, didn't effect city mileage at all, and 2-3 mpg on the highway. Going to 3.55s MAYBE would have been 1 mpg. So not a huge loss to 3.55s honestly. And that's with a 5 speed. The 6 speed will notice the mileage hit even less

 

[Old 5 Oh]

3.73s are guaranteed to be hard on gas. Probably not a lotworse than 3.55s, but noticeably worse than the standard 3.31s. 10-15% likely on the road, so 2-3 mpg difference. May not be a big deal.

 

[scottpe]

Meh, I went from 3.27s to 4.10s in my 01 cobra, didn't effect city mileage at all, and 2-3 mpg on the highway. Going to 3.55s MAYBE would have been 1 mpg. So not a huge loss to 3.55s honestly. And that's with a 5 speed. The 6 speed will notice the mileage hit even less

Yeah, the impact really does depend on driving habits. For someone that does a lot of highway driving, 2-3 mpg is pretty significant. That's like an additional 30-50 miles per tank of gas.

For city driving, it's not as clear cut. I've been pondering the gearing thing myself, and I came to the conclusion that, for me, having 3.73s may make 6th gear usable more often in the city, as it would keep the rpms high enough to not lug the engine, whereas with the 3.31s I have on my 2012, 5th is the highest I can usually go on a regular basis. The overall result of course being that in 6th, revs would be lower, which would equal better mileage at cruising speed.

So for city driving, depending on the average speed limits in one's area and the number of stoplights, 3.73s might have little negative impact, and in some scenarios could even be better.

My concern with the 3.73s has much more to do with the Torsen vs the standard Limited slip and the fact that the Torsen does not handle 'shock' as well, which is a factor for anyone considering power adders and/or drag racing.

 

[Coyotestang13]

I have the 3.73 Torsen in my 2013 Track Pack. If you guys have any questions feel free to ask. My recommendation is to go with the 3.55 with the GT if you want something ideal for a daily driver or occasional race on the strip or track. If you run track often the Performance package is the option to get. My car only gets 5,000-8,000 miles a year so the mpg difference is nothing for me and the performance of the 3.73 is too fun to pass up.

 

[Coyotestang13]

Can't imagine the 3.31 being any good unless you do mostly highway.

 

[Dub347sbf]

Yeah, the impact really does depend on driving habits. For someone that does a lot of highway driving, 2-3 mpg is pretty significant. That's like an additional 30-50 miles per tank of gas.

For city driving, it's not as clear cut. I've been pondering the gearing thing myself, and I came to the conclusion that, for me, having 3.73s may make 6th gear usable more often in the city, as it would keep the rpms high enough to not lug the engine, whereas with the 3.31s I have on my 2012, 5th is the highest I can usually go on a regular basis. The overall result of course being that in 6th, revs would be lower, which would equal better mileage at cruising speed.

So for city driving, depending on the average speed limits in one's area and the number of stoplights, 3.73s might have little negative impact, and in some scenarios could even be better.

My concern with the 3.73s has much more to do with the Torsen vs the standard Limited slip and the fact that the Torsen does not handle 'shock' as well, which is a factor for anyone considering power adders and/or drag racing.

While I agree with everything you are saying, I'm also saying the 3.55s or 3.73s won't even be as bad as 3 mpg, which is what I see with a 5 speed and 4.10s. I think the 3.73s were worth 1 mpg highway change on the 2013s I was looking at, I bet the EB PP with 3.55s won't even have an EPA change on the sticker, and if it does I bet it is 1 mpg highway.

Edit: and yes I have seen gearing changes actually improve city mileage due to the engine not having to work as hard, easier to get into overdrive etc. Mine didn't impact city driving either way.

 

[w3rkn]

Yeah, the impact really does depend on driving habits. For someone that does a lot of highway driving, 2-3 mpg is pretty significant. That's like an additional 30-50 miles per tank of gas.

For city driving, it's not as clear cut. I've been pondering the gearing thing myself, and I came to the conclusion that, for me, having 3.73s may make 6th gear usable more often in the city, as it would keep the rpms high enough to not lug the engine, whereas with the 3.31s I have on my 2012, 5th is the highest I can usually go on a regular basis. The overall result of course being that in 6th, revs would be lower, which would equal better mileage at cruising speed.

So for city driving, depending on the average speed limits in one's area and the number of stoplights, 3.73s might have little negative impact, and in some scenarios could even be better.

My concern with the 3.73s has much more to do with the Torsen vs the standard Limited slip and the fact that the Torsen does not handle 'shock' as well, which is a factor for anyone considering power adders and/or drag racing.

Who uses 6th gear in a City..? Let alone 5th gear..?

 

[Old 5 Oh]

My recommendation is to go with the 3.55 with the GT if you want something ideal for a daily driver or occasional race on the strip or track. If you run track often the Performance package is the option to get.

This sounds wise to me. Highway people (like me) need to get the 3.31s. In-town and mixed uses, consider the 3.55s. You track guys, get the 3.73s and have a blast!

In my own experience, gears have hurt both city and highway mileage, but have made my car far more pleasant to drive around town. Keep in mind I have an archaic 88 GT that came with the Bonneville Salt Flat 2.73s, and would get 28 on the road no sweat. But it was a clutch-slipper to drive around town, and even 4th gear was relatively useless in the city. Now, with 3.55s, it gets more like 23 on the road, and a ridiculous 12 to 13 around town, but is great to drive and all five gears are useful. Since I only drive it maybe 2000 miles a year, the mileage is irrelevant. For my new daily driver, which will be going 30000 miles a year, mileage is much more of a consideration.

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