Procharger Stage 2 Install

[ProChargerTECH]

Your kit has the following issues:

-Inlet does not fit properly

Actually it does, I personally have installed them, no issues.
As have a couple HUNDRED other people.

Good news, after getting 5-7 complains FROM THIS BOARD.
We changed it, to make it a little easier.

-Inlet collapses under 9+psi of boost

Was just at a Dyno night, with (2) ProCharger powered cars.
Both had the stock "old" inlet, running 12+psi, Lund tunes, etc
NO COLLAPSE at all.


-Your stock tune still bucks like all custom tunes do, we know it's only 1% of people you talk to, but 9 out of 10 procharger owners I spoke to all exhibit this issue with various tunes, boost levels etc.

YOU, keep saying that. However dealers and customers have been very happy. Maybe you have that 1% luck, however at this point we have not had any reason to change anything.


-Your stock BPV does not support airflow from pulley combos that produce more than 12psi

Anyone that rates a BPV in "Boost" is doing it wrong. LOL.
They support CFM flow limits.
Our unit supports our stock systems, AND beyond it, up to 700HP.


-The 1% portion of the driving range that exhibits this issue in your opinion is much larger, and removes a lot of fun from the car as this portion is partial boost/throttle.

I drive one of our cars weekly, I have no idea what your talking about.
As do any of the other customers, or the people that use the cars as Demos.


What we have learned is the following:
-Replacing the poorly fitting silicone pieces of the kit with hard plastic remedy some surging issues, and completely resolve the inlet collapsing issue
-People should be ordering the bullet valve at minimal when ordering stage 2 kits or going over 12psi.
-All custom tunes should be disabling the IMRC or users should be installing the stock coyote intake manifold or boss manifold to avoid this issue.

Without kidding, I am willing to bet there are 6-10 installs going on PER DAY, that do not do anything that you are talking about above.

Heck we have done PLENTY here, and never have done any of that.

At the end of the day, there are truck loads of these systems out there.
Stock, not Stock, fast and wicked fast.... everyone is VERY happy with the system.
Dealers wouldn't sell it if they had that many problems with it.

Please stop harassing us at this point.

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[Process]

At the end of the day, there are truck loads of these systems out there.
Stock, not Stock, fast and wicked fast.... everyone is VERY happy with the system.
Dealers wouldn't sell it if they had that many problems with it.

Please stop harassing us at this point.

This isn't harassment, this is sharing a common experience that most people who have when installing your kit. No one cares about the hundreds of S550 Mustangs you have personally installed kits on.

We care about the experience we are having with your kit and the work arounds we have to go about with to make it work.

If customer feedback is considered harassment then you sure have an odd way of doing business. As stated above, you have a good kit but it's not perfect.

What's comical is you having the nerve to come in someone else's thread and stating where people should post issues.

 

[Barrel]

And where's the thread for those of us without a Lund tune? Get over yourself. If it's a real problem, message the mods and have them come in and do cleanup. Maybe they'll do you some favors if you up your sponsorship. What a joke.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Still drove it, and I reported the issue with your tune. I posted a way to fix/mask the issue. The majority of the people who have a procharger on this board have this issue, this is a fact. They will be happy to know there is a way to mute this problem without needing to do a manifold swap.

This board is not a representation of everyone who owns a S550 Mustang or those who just drop off their car at a local speed shop.

Wonder why the Whipple and TVS cars don't surge and buck? Can you point me to a procharger owner on this board whos manual transmission car doesn't exhibit that behavior with more than 8psi? I bet you can't.

Stop being so defensive, you have a good kit but it is far from perfect.

Whats annoying is the work that goes into making something.
Tuning something, just to have someone rip is apart that isn't doing any of that work.

When nearly everyone is very very happy, that they are is MUCH faster then stock, and drives 99.99% the same as OEM, if not better. (they suck stock IMHO)

- turning off the IMRC's, not a new idea
- swapping manifolds, not a new idea
- turning off knock sensors, we have seen people do that, bad idea.
- people locking out the cams, again not new, and bad idea.


MORAL of the story, customers haven't been complaining, dealers haven't been complaining.
(literally the opposite, because they enjoy loading the stock tune, making a hit, and shipping the car... no drama)

Again, stick to what you are doing with YOUR car, and YOUR results.
Please let OUR customers talk about THEIR cars if they want to.

 

[Process]

Whats annoying is the work that goes into making something.
Tuning something, just to have someone rip is apart that isn't doing any of that work.

When nearly everyone is very very happy, that they are is MUCH faster then stock, and drives 99.99% the same as OEM, if not better. (they suck stock IMHO)

- turning off the IMRC's, not a new idea
- swapping manifolds, not a new idea
- turning off knock sensors, we have seen people do that, bad idea.
- people locking out the cams, again not new, and bad idea.


MORAL of the story, customers haven't been complaining, dealers haven't been complaining.
(literally the opposite, because they enjoy loading the stock tune, making a hit, and shipping the car... no drama)

Again, stick to what you are doing with YOUR car, and YOUR results.
Please let OUR customers talk about THEIR cars if they want to.

This thread is for people to discuss their experience with your kit and install. No one is ripping your kit, but we are discussing how to fix the inherit quality issues it ships with that you like to brush off as "1 in 1000s".

Doesn't seem like it when going from the sample size of this board.

 

[Barrel]

Please let OUR customers talk about THEIR cars if they want to.

When I have to ask for your permission first? Pfft. I'm your customer. I have issues (some of which I blame PC, some I don't). I want to talk about it. Everyone in this thread is your customer. We're all talking about OUR cars in a thread NOT STARTED BY YOU.

This isn't a marketing thread, go to the vendor section if you want to give your sales pitches.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

And where's the thread for those of us without a Lund tune? Get over yourself. If it's a real problem, message the mods and have them come in and do cleanup. Maybe they'll do you some favors if you up your sponsorship. What a joke.

There are some very happy people with their custom tuning.
Heck the car going 10.13 is obviously custom tuned.

Just saying, there are the SAME topics being posted in (3) different threads.
Its a PITA to follow, and takes away from the OP thread and what he is doing on HIS car.

The beauty of a forum, is that you don't have to stuff everything into one thread obviously.

Common now... I am hear to spread knowledge, and advice.
Which I have done many times, on the E85 topic, what not to do on tuning, where to be at on timing, etc etc.

 

[Process]

When I have to ask for your permission first? Pfft. I'm your customer. I have issues (some of which I blame PC, some I don't). I want to talk about it. Everyone in this thread is your customer. We're all talking about OUR cars in a thread NOT STARTED BY YOU.

This isn't a marketing thread, go to the vendor section if you want to give your sales pitches.

Agreed, we all know the tuning curve is steep on these cars, thats a given. But this kit is partially to blame for some issues as well.

 

[5.0 Steve]

Why does PC feel the need for damage control every time a thread or post comes up with a new or old issue. I get it buy a kit stock pulley PC tune baby boost no problems. Start modding looking for more power you're on your own.

 

[Process]

There are some very happy people with their custom tuning.
Heck the car going 10.13 is obviously custom tuned.

Just saying, there are the SAME topics being posted in (3) different threads.
Its a PITA to follow, and takes away from the OP thread and what he is doing on HIS car.

The beauty of a forum, is that you don't have to stuff everything into one thread obviously.

Common now... I am hear to spread knowledge, and advice.
Which I have done many times, on the E85 topic, what not to do on tuning, where to be at on timing, etc etc.

Ok, fix the bucking issue we all have with just your kit, which is not 100% tuning. Fix the inlet collapsing issue. Spread some knowledge.

No one in here has said the procharger is a piece of shit, don't buy it. Your kit, the inlet, imrc's and pcv do not play nicely together. Facts.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Why does PC feel the need for damage control every time a thread or post comes up with a new or old issue. I get it buy a kit stock pulley PC tune baby boost no problems. Start modding looking for more power you're on your own.

Its because this forum has confused some people.
Into what is "needed"....

Which is confusing to "normal" people that want 600HP, and have fun.
In that case all they have to do is buy our kit and enjoy it as it comes in the box.

The internet has talked people into buying D-1SC's (that they don't need)
The internet has talked people into buying Race Valves (that they don't need)
The internet has talked people into buying big injectors and fuel mods
(that they don't need, because they will never run anything more then 91 gas, that can't support more boost)

If they want to turn it up at that point, by all means do so.
There are LOTS of great tuners all over the country.

I am all about the forum,
And spreading knowledge,
I just hate hearing about a guy that bought way to much then he will ever need.

 

[Process]

Its because this forum has confused some people.
Into what is "needed"....

Which is confusing to "normal" people that want 600HP, and have fun.
In that case all they have to do is buy our kit and enjoy it as it comes in the box.

The internet has talked people into buying D-1SC's (that they don't need)
The internet has talked people into buying Race Valves (that they don't need)
The internet has talked people into buying big injectors and fuel mods
(that they don't need, because they will never run anything more then 91 gas, that can't support more boost)

People don't like to buy something twice, D1 is a cheap upgrade
The race valve is for people who don't want the proflo to leak (from a lot of folks experience, it sucks past 10psi, besides the race valve sounds cool), they could've also went with the bullet though too, so we sort've agree here.
The coyote tuning community has adopted ID as the injector of choice due to it's high quality and ease to tune. There is no cost difference between a ID1000 and a Id725, so why not? Again this goes back to why people don't like to buy something twice.

Your job isn't to tell us how to spend our money, your job is to provide tech and product support to those who purchase your products.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

People don't like to buy something twice, D1 is a cheap upgrade
The race valve is for people who don't want the proflo to leak (from a lot of folks experience, it sucks past 10psi, besides the race valve sounds cool), they could've also went with the bullet though too, so we sort've agree here.
The coyote tuning community has adopted ID as the injector of choice due to it's high quality and ease to tune. There is no cost difference between a ID1000 and a Id725, so why not? Again this goes back to why people don't like to buy something twice.

Your job isn't to tell us how to spend our money, your job is to provide tech and product support to those who purchase your products.

ProFlow
The more pressure you put on a proflow, the more it holds. (as do all BOV/BPVs)
Soooooo at 10psi its stronger then 6psi, and at 15psi its more then 10psi.

The ONLY reason to change it, is if your above 700HP,
Or just want a different "sound"

P-1SC-1 vs. D-1SC
If a person is always going to run pump gas. There is NO reason for a D-1SC.
The P-1SC-1 can easily support more boost then pump fuel can handle.

Sure the D-1SC is nice to have in reserves. But AGIAN, not needed.


So for the "average" customer that is going to bolt a kit on, run pump gas, and drive his car everyday to and from work.
He does NOT need those two upgrades.


PS: No sales pitch here, actually the opposite.

 

[Process]

ProFlow
The more pressure you put on a proflow, the more it holds. (as do all BOV/BPVs)
Soooooo at 10psi its stronger then 6psi, and at 15psi its more then 10psi.

The ONLY reason to change it, is if your above 700HP,
Or just want a different "sound"

P-1SC-1 vs. D-1SC
If a person is always going to run pump gas. There is NO reason for a D-1SC.
The P-1SC-1 can easily support more boost then pump fuel can handle.

Sure the D-1SC is nice to have in reserves. But AGIAN, not needed.


So for the "average" customer that is going to bolt a kit on, run pump gas, and drive his car everyday to and from work.
He does NOT need those two upgrades.

Tons of folks buy the Paxton 2200, it's overkill, it flows the same as the D1, but hey, it's still sold because it doesn't break the bank. Also looks like the Vortech JT will be a popular option as well.

 

[Chargedguard5.0]

Should we upgrade the pro flow at 700rwhp or 700hp?

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