Procharger D1SC eats rubber inlet...

[mwbracing]

I usually never post anything negative, I actually don't believe what BW or myself posting was that negative. It's the facts!
Until you've gone through what I have in the past 3 mths its hard to understand. I spent a lot of money on a product that I have yet to enjoy. Missed many events and just down right fun. Like I said earlier not all of this is PC's fault, also they agreed to call and speak with me in person I have yet to hear from anyone. :shrug:

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[Travis@boostworks]

Maturity on both sides is lacking here. I don't understand why BW couldn't wait 12 hours to talk to Procharger before making this thread. I also don't understand why Procharger didn't pick up the phone today and call BW. It is like you wanted to fight it out online.

BW - who is the top tuner who had seen dozens of these failures? Can we get them in this thread to post their first hand experience?

It's not about maturity.. It's about posting factual info and being frustrated a lack of solutions. The whole "bury our head in the sand" thing is pretty much what has been said about this already. No offense, but you're not the shop or the customer who is working their tails off to get this car right. So, while I understand you may think that I shouldn't have said anything, the public has a right to know what we experienced, and what this customer is experiencing. Us being accused of doing this on purpose or something of that nature is completely out of line.

As of 5pm, the customer hasn't gotten a call from Procharger. And no one has responded here since I posted, or the customer posted.

 

[Travis@boostworks]

This is a public forum that people are free to post about their experiences as it relates to the S550 platform. That's exactly what this thread is about. No different than any other thread. It may be seen as a negative thread but the world isn't all sunshine and roses. This was a negative experience for someone so they posted about it. If it somehow offends people that someone posts about a bad experience they had, then you need to reevaluate your life. Maybe mind your own business if you don't like the thread?

You're absolutely correct..

It's not all sunshine and roses. We try to be as transparent as possible. When we blew up a motor due to oil pump gear failure, we immediately let it be known, and we will share our findings with the forum. This only adds to the pool of knowledge here. That's what a car forum is supposed to be about, isn't it?

 

[Project Whitemare]

Interesting read to say the least.

Travis @ Boost Works will be getting my business when the time comes to strap a Kenne Bell on Whitemare!

 

[mmc]

It's not about maturity.. It's about posting factual info and being frustrated a lack of solutions. The whole "bury our head in the sand" thing is pretty much what has been said about this already. No offense, but you're not the shop or the customer who is working their tails off to get this car right. So, while I understand you may think that I shouldn't have said anything, the public has a right to know what we experienced, and what this customer is experiencing. Us being accused of doing this on purpose or something of that nature is completely out of line.

As of 5pm, the customer hasn't gotten a call from Procharger. And no one has responded here since I posted, or the customer posted.

You are misunderstanding me. I didn't say you should not post. What I said is take a little more time to have the contact with Procharger and potentially work out a solution.. And maybe that conversation would have went no where and ended with both sides disagreeing about the root cause. It is not about hiding information, it is about a little old fashion interpersonal communications and holding off on the internet circus until options are exhausted.

 

[zaquhree]

Travis seems to be very upfront and clear which is hard to find in an industry filled with snake oil

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Ok back to the intake tube , I can see NO place were the intake tube has sucked in or touched the impeller.. That makes be very happy to see that after seeing this post .. I'm running more boost than the OP was but I'm also running a smaller PS-1 head unit .. I think just for peace of mind I will get Boost works intake tube once they release them ..

No reason to worry, since other then this occurrence I have not seen another person with our current inlet have a failure.

Again, BW wants to post about incorrect facts to back up his post.

1) His thread about Coastal, was based on Coastal experience with our OLD first inlet hose. That hose hasn't shipped for well over a year, all customers were given updated parts if they wanted. (Many chose not to, and still run the old inlet with no issues. Since that old inlet hasn't shipped in over a year, and only to the first few shipments, it seems to have never come up, till BW wants to dig up old dirt (not facts)

2) His thread about his own experience previously, was again based on the OLD inlet, not the current production parts.


The ONLY, and I mean ONLY time I have seen one of these new inlets have an issue, is when they are used with a "Race" valve bypass valve. Which is NOT part of the system, and is an add on item that customers have to purchase separately. (or can upgrade to)

The instructions show how to install it. HERE ARE THE IMAGES!
These are the ONLY time its mentioned in the install.
Since its a.......race item.

Can that valve fit without pressing on the inlet tube. (YES) I have installed them myself, its a pain, but they can and will fit. Are there other places that fit it better, however require cutting the car up... yes. Again, its a race item, that 99% of the customers don't even need, since the standard valve is good up to at least 700-750rwhp.

Yeah don't mean to spread misinformation. The tube I had was the "first-gen" but I was told then it was my fault for getting the race valve. W/e. My shop had one custom fabbed and relocated the race valve.

FWIW I'm happy with my PC. Did half mile racing and 3 modded 911 Turbos, 2 modded GTRs, 2 GT500s, C7 Z06, '15 Roush Mustang, every Hellcat there, and about 40 or 50 other cars found out they were slower than my PC'ed Mustang.

Now THAT is what I am talking about!!!! That is awesome!

Yes, the first inlet was a little less stiff, so even MORE prone to having an issue if the Race valve was pushing on it. I am sorry you had issues with that early unit. :(

Not that it wasn't installed correctly, but it felt soft and the Red Race Valve was pretty much pressing against it. Remember this is a D1SC with an 8 rib belt. Installer said and showed me that this is the correct position for the valve. I looked at the instruction manual and sure enough it was installed correctly based on the instruction manual from ProCharger.

If its pushing on the inlet... its not installed correctly.
I can tell by the photos of your inlet, a LOT more needed to be cut off.
To bring that bend in MUCH closer to the supercharger.

Again, I have done it myself... so I know it takes time, but it fits.

Building inlets for Procharger equipped Mustangs is not a huge priority for us.

The internet is literally "littered" with high HP Procharger cars roaming the streets, track, etc. With a dealer network across the country installing these systems, (even Ford Dealership) if there was an issue with the current inlet, it would have been noticed by now, and resolved.

If its a max effort deal, then yes bigger inlets are always better.
However with so many cars running around making 600-800HP without issue, it seem that would be a small small market for the "max effort stuff"

Heck on this forum alone I think almost every system Beefcake sells was on 10-11psi of boost, and that dude sold A LOT of systems, and I haven't seen or heard of a single issue.

We've been talking about doing it for over a year, since we witnessed a P1SC car eat it's elbow back then..

Yes, one of the very very rare first cars that had an inlet issue. (again, the tube thats LONG since been replaced, and only went out in the first run of systems. And I know you know this....

Here's a post from one of your dealers who installs tons of Procharger systems, and he talks about building a new tube primarily to address inlet flex..

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27399&highlight=p1sc+inlet

That again, is based on the OLD inlet, that was LONG since out of production. So again not based on something related to the inlet you are talking about.
You have been on this forum long enough, I know you know that as well.

When I posted this yesterday, I was pissed off because I now have to fix a car that should have been delivered to the customer today. We deliver when we say we will.. That's how it goes. This inlet collapsing costs us time, and it costs the customer more time/money. He's been without his car now for 3 months because of failures and inadequate tuning capabilities from a shop that Procharger recommended.

Couple things here...

1) If he had been out of the car for 3 months, obviously 1 more day wouldn't have been the end of the world, to call us and talk about this issue.

2) As you very well know, these new cars threw the entire tuning world for a loop. Literally EVERYONE fought issues in the start as everyone got up to speed. We go out of our way to try and make sure dealers have the ability, however sometimes employes change, tuners change, etc. So we try to stay on top of that. However at the end of the day, the only tunes that we can really back, are the ones we provide.

3) We have a bunch of awesome tech guys that work their butts off M-F 8:30 to 5:30 to take a call whenever. We can also take FB messages, instagram, emails etc. 24-7. We literally CRUSH the customer service side of things. I am sorry that we were closed when you called, however would have been open the next day, I assure you. (if it was a weekday)

So, maybe I should have thrown you guys a heads up, but the fact of the matter is that this still went down, and it has gone down before. It's costing our customer and our shop time and money. Fix your inlet issue, Procharger.

Yes, a heads up would have been what I consider normal for a shop to do.

1 failure is hardly the reason to make a massive change. Heck if that was the case we would have an "oil less" blower, since more people forget to put oil in them every month, then I have heard of inlet issues total.

So, instead of burying your head in the sand here, Procharger, why not fix the issue. You guys can build a metal inlet just like we can. It's not that difficult and it wouldn't cost you that much to do. My God.. It's not like we're re-inventing the wheel here. lol

If this even accounted for .005% of the units sold currently, I could see a change being made. However, again this goes back to this being the first issue we have seen with inlet. (not counting the early early early units you talk about)

So yes, very easy to make a change if there is a reason for the change.

I was not the one who initiated the thread. I responded because at the end of the day I'm the end user who has spent over 35% of the cars value on this build. I have reached out to Procharger because like many others I believe in working things out in a reasonable manner. They are suppose to call me later hopefully to offer an apology and to help recoup my money on the additional work.

I stated I would give you a call after the photoshoot I was at, since I am not in the office. (which I am still at sadly) However, it seems you are putting words in my mouth, and thats not cool at all.

BW - who is the top tuner who had seen dozens of these failures? Can we get them in this thread to post their first hand experience?

There has been some really amazing "myths" that have been spoken by tuners when these systems first came out, that have now all been de bunked by LOTS of cars (both with our blowers, other blowers, and turbos) now all running fast, and making big power.

Some of the ones I heard...

- our bypass valves won't work
- mafs in the intercoolers don't work
- our intercoolers use the same tune (that one was scary)
- bucking can only be fixed by swapping intakes
- IMRC's will never be able to be deleted
- can't have good hot starts with 95lb injectors
- fuel trims can't be turned on.

When the truth was, that it was a giant learning curve for most, and now that everyone has lots of hours behind them.....

Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of those myths has now been proven false.
Only thing is, we haven't changed a single bolt on our system.
(other then that first inlet change)

Until you've gone through what I have in the past 3 myths its hard to understand. I spent a lot of money on a product that I have yet to enjoy. Missed many events and just down right fun. Like I said earlier not all of this is PC's fault, also they agreed to call and speak with me in person I have yet to hear from anyone. :shrug:

I wish you would have just ordered one of our complete systems. Literally daily these units go out, people install them in their garage with hand tools, and have them running by the end of the day. No missing events, no monkey business, just good running cars, and it seems instagram shoots LOL.

Again, we can talk about that tomorrow when I am back in the office.

It's not about maturity.. It's about posting factual info and being frustrated a lack of solutions.

yes, its about facts, and here they are.

1) You make a competing product both in Forced induction systems, and inlets that you have posted about.

2) You post about previous inlet issues, yet you KNOW those are from early-production units that haven't been sold in over a year. (or more) So not really "facts" .... you are trying to bend the truth in your favor. Not cool.

3) Out of the thousands of that tube that has now left the building, your experience is the FIRST and ONLY time I have heard of an issue. (Most 900hp stuff I doubt runs our inlet, nor should it) Please feel free to correct me if I am incorrect. I just can't find any on the net, or in our service logs.

Interesting read to say the least.

Travis @ Boost Works will be getting my business when the time comes to strap a Kenne Bell on Whitemare!

I have to say until I saw this post of his... I would have enjoyed chatting with him when I come and visit TX.

However, it seems that he can fire his bullets at us...
Sway the "truth" by posting about early shipping inlets.

Yet, I am not allowed to defend our product with facts, and sheer numbers of the systems out there that have no issues. Thats not very fair...

Had Travis called me and chatted, even if it was an install error, part failure, whatever... it would have been a MUCH different conversation then it is now.

:(

In closing, I want to thank all those that use our product, race our product, and have killer results, and all the amazing photos I see all over every form of social media I can think off. These cars have been amazing to work on, and I can't wait to see them continue to progress.


Nobody will read this, since its to long.
And with that, back to photos...

 

[Project Whitemare]

Question for ProCharger:

The early released, and since shelved inlets.... why run them to begin with, if you have had 10+ years of success with the other inlets?

You had mentioned that the new inlets are the same inlets that have been used on cars/trucks/etc for 10+ years.

Why didn't you use them from the get go?

Not to poke, but my buddy with a Procharger got some of the worst customer service replies I've ever seen when reaching out to you guys for support.

Not that it matters, but to say that you "literally CRUSH the customer service" is quite comical. I saw the email chain back and forth between him and your customer service. More like "CRUSH the customer".

 

[18psi]

No reason to worry, since other then this occurrence I have not seen another person with our current inlet have a failure.

Again, BW wants to post about incorrect facts to back up his post.

1) His thread about Coastal, was based on Coastal experience with our OLD first inlet hose. That hose hasn't shipped for well over a year, all customers were given updated parts if they wanted. (Many chose not to, and still run the old inlet with no issues. Since that old inlet hasn't shipped in over a year, and only to the first few shipments, it seems to have never come up, till BW wants to dig up old dirt (not facts)

2) His thread about his own experience previously, was again based on the OLD inlet, not the current production parts.


The ONLY, and I mean ONLY time I have seen one of these new inlets have an issue, is when they are used with a "Race" valve bypass valve. Which is NOT part of the system, and is an add on item that customers have to purchase separately. (or can upgrade to)

The instructions show how to install it. HERE ARE THE IMAGES!
These are the ONLY time its mentioned in the install.
Since its a.......race item.

Can that valve fit without pressing on the inlet tube. (YES) I have installed them myself, its a pain, but they can and will fit. Are there other places that fit it better, however require cutting the car up... yes. Again, its a race item, that 99% of the customers don't even need, since the standard valve is good up to at least 700-750rwhp.







Now THAT is what I am talking about!!!! That is awesome!

Yes, the first inlet was a little less stiff, so even MORE prone to having an issue if the Race valve was pushing on it. I am sorry you had issues with that early unit. :(







If its pushing on the inlet... its not installed correctly.
I can tell by the photos of your inlet, a LOT more needed to be cut off.
To bring that bend in MUCH closer to the supercharger.

Again, I have done it myself... so I know it takes time, but it fits.




The internet is literally "littered" with high HP Procharger cars roaming the streets, track, etc. With a dealer network across the country installing these systems, (even Ford Dealership) if there was an issue with the current inlet, it would have been noticed by now, and resolved.

If its a max effort deal, then yes bigger inlets are always better.
However with so many cars running around making 600-800HP without issue, it seem that would be a small small market for the "max effort stuff"

Heck on this forum alone I think almost every system Beefcake sells was on 10-11psi of boost, and that dude sold A LOT of systems, and I haven't seen or heard of a single issue.



Yes, one of the very very rare first cars that had an inlet issue. (again, the tube thats LONG since been replaced, and only went out in the first run of systems. And I know you know this....



That again, is based on the OLD inlet, that was LONG since out of production. So again not based on something related to the inlet you are talking about.
You have been on this forum long enough, I know you know that as well.



Couple things here...

1) If he had been out of the car for 3 months, obviously 1 more day wouldn't have been the end of the world, to call us and talk about this issue.

2) As you very well know, these new cars threw the entire tuning world for a loop. Literally EVERYONE fought issues in the start as everyone got up to speed. We go out of our way to try and make sure dealers have the ability, however sometimes employes change, tuners change, etc. So we try to stay on top of that. However at the end of the day, the only tunes that we can really back, are the ones we provide.

3) We have a bunch of awesome tech guys that work their butts off M-F 8:30 to 5:30 to take a call whenever. We can also take FB messages, instagram, emails etc. 24-7. We literally CRUSH the customer service side of things. I am sorry that we were closed when you called, however would have been open the next day, I assure you. (if it was a weekday)



Yes, a heads up would have been what I consider normal for a shop to do.

1 failure is hardly the reason to make a massive change. Heck if that was the case we would have an "oil less" blower, since more people forget to put oil in them every month, then I have heard of inlet issues total.



If this even accounted for .005% of the units sold currently, I could see a change being made. However, again this goes back to this being the first issue we have seen with inlet. (not counting the early early early units you talk about)

So yes, very easy to make a change if there is a reason for the change.





I stated I would give you a call after the photoshoot I was at, since I am not in the office. (which I am still at sadly) However, it seems you are putting words in my mouth, and thats not cool at all.



There has been some really amazing "myths" that have been spoken by tuners when these systems first came out, that have now all been de bunked by LOTS of cars (both with our blowers, other blowers, and turbos) now all running fast, and making big power.

Some of the ones I heard...

- our bypass valves won't work
- mafs in the intercoolers don't work
- our intercoolers use the same tune (that one was scary)
- bucking can only be fixed by swapping intakes
- IMRC's will never be able to be deleted
- can't have good hot starts with 95lb injectors
- fuel trims can't be turned on.

When the truth was, that it was a giant learning curve for most, and now that everyone has lots of hours behind them.....

Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of those myths has now been proven false.
Only thing is, we haven't changed a single bolt on our system.
(other then that first inlet change)




I wish you would have just ordered one of our complete systems. Literally daily these units go out, people install them in their garage with hand tools, and have them running by the end of the day. No missing events, no monkey business, just good running cars, and it seems instagram shoots LOL.

Again, we can talk about that tomorrow when I am back in the office.



yes, its about facts, and here they are.

1) You make a competing product both in Forced induction systems, and inlets that you have posted about.

2) You post about previous inlet issues, yet you KNOW those are from early-production units that haven't been sold in over a year. (or more) So not really "facts" .... you are trying to bend the truth in your favor. Not cool.

3) Out of the thousands of that tube that has now left the building, your experience is the FIRST and ONLY time I have heard of an issue. (Most 900hp stuff I doubt runs our inlet, nor should it) Please feel free to correct me if I am incorrect. I just can't find any on the net, or in our service logs.



I have to say until I saw this post of his... I would have enjoyed chatting with him when I come and visit TX.

However, it seems that he can fire his bullets at us...
Sway the "truth" by posting about early shipping inlets.

Yet, I am not allowed to defend our product with facts, and sheer numbers of the systems out there that have no issues. Thats not very fair...

Had Travis called me and chatted, even if it was an install error, part failure, whatever... it would have been a MUCH different conversation then it is now.

:(

In closing, I want to thank all those that use our product, race our product, and have killer results, and all the amazing photos I see all over every form of social media I can think off. These cars have been amazing to work on, and I can't wait to see them continue to progress.


Nobody will read this, since its to long.
And with that, back to photos...

what would have changed? you saying it's an install error and impossible to be a defect or him saying it's a defect and impossible to be an install error?

is it not possible that the factory that supplies your inlet tubes had at least 1 faulty or defective one?

So he woulda been treated favorably if he swept it under the rug?

 

[Beerdy]

Not to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned that the original inlet was used on other vehicles as well. I could be wrong, though.

Question for ProCharger:

The early released, and since shelved inlets.... why run them to begin with, if you have had 10+ years of success with the other inlets?

You had mentioned that the new inlets are the same inlets that have been used on cars/trucks/etc for 10+ years.

Why didn't you use them from the get go?

Not to poke, but my buddy with a Procharger got some of the worst customer service replies I've ever seen when reaching out to you guys for support.

Not that it matters, but to say that you "literally CRUSH the customer service" is quite comical. I saw the email chain back and forth between him and your customer service. More like "CRUSH the customer".

 

[smokinzx14r]

While I'm very happy with my Procharger I did have some problems with the tune I paid for from Procharger . Procharger did make good on that and for that I thank them.. I had a problem with the water neck leaking and as soon as I told them they sent me out a new water neck ASAP ..Problem fixed ..

I'm also glad Boost Works posted about the intake elbow .. We knew about the old intake elbow problem and Procharger jumped on that pretty quick and sent out a replacement to those that wanted one ..The new kits shipped like mine came with the better elbow ..

What I would like to see happen now is for Procharger to step up to the pump again like they in the past and send out a better Elbow that can't get sucked into the blower..

The way I look at this is there is a problem and it needs to be addressed ASAP by Procharger .. After all Procharger owners paid good money for a good kit , so why should we have to pay more money to insure we don't have a problem ?

The cost to Procharger sending out a better Elbow for the intake is surely cheaper than warrantee claims for a bent or broken Impeller ..

I'm a dealer for a big aftermarket bike supplier and we had one product that had two units out of 1000s sold come back with a problem ..That product was pulled ASAP until a upgrade was made ..Customers that wanted the upgraded part were only asked to call if they wanted the upgraded part .. Some called for the upgrade and others didn't but it was available to anyone that called .. All the new units sold from that day forward were the upgraded units .. A good well know company like Procharger should do the same ..

Nothing better for good will of a company to Jump on a problem ASAP ..Good customer service makes or breaks a company ..

 

[18psi]

The cost to Procharger sending out a better Elbow for the intake is surely cheaper than warrantee claims for a bent or broken Impeller ..

but denying every single claim without even reviewing it, and saying it's the installers fault is free...

 

[smokinzx14r]

No reason to worry, since other then this occurrence I have not seen another person with our current inlet have a failure.

Again, BW wants to post about incorrect facts to back up his post.

1) His thread about Coastal, was based on Coastal experience with our OLD first inlet hose. That hose hasn't shipped for well over a year, all customers were given updated parts if they wanted. (Many chose not to, and still run the old inlet with no issues. Since that old inlet hasn't shipped in over a year, and only to the first few shipments, it seems to have never come up, till BW wants to dig up old dirt (not facts)

2) His thread about his own experience previously, was again based on the OLD inlet, not the current production parts.


The ONLY, and I mean ONLY time I have seen one of these new inlets have an issue, is when they are used with a "Race" valve bypass valve. Which is NOT part of the system, and is an add on item that customers have to purchase separately. (or can upgrade to)

The instructions show how to install it. HERE ARE THE IMAGES!
These are the ONLY time its mentioned in the install.
Since its a.......race item.

Can that valve fit without pressing on the inlet tube. (YES) I have installed them myself, its a pain, but they can and will fit. Are there other places that fit it better, however require cutting the car up... yes. Again, its a race item, that 99% of the customers don't even need, since the standard valve is good up to at least 700-750rwhp.







Now THAT is what I am talking about!!!! That is awesome!

Yes, the first inlet was a little less stiff, so even MORE prone to having an issue if the Race valve was pushing on it. I am sorry you had issues with that early unit. :(







If its pushing on the inlet... its not installed correctly.
I can tell by the photos of your inlet, a LOT more needed to be cut off.
To bring that bend in MUCH closer to the supercharger.

Again, I have done it myself... so I know it takes time, but it fits.




The internet is literally "littered" with high HP Procharger cars roaming the streets, track, etc. With a dealer network across the country installing these systems, (even Ford Dealership) if there was an issue with the current inlet, it would have been noticed by now, and resolved.

If its a max effort deal, then yes bigger inlets are always better.
However with so many cars running around making 600-800HP without issue, it seem that would be a small small market for the "max effort stuff"

Heck on this forum alone I think almost every system Beefcake sells was on 10-11psi of boost, and that dude sold A LOT of systems, and I haven't seen or heard of a single issue.



Yes, one of the very very rare first cars that had an inlet issue. (again, the tube thats LONG since been replaced, and only went out in the first run of systems. And I know you know this....



That again, is based on the OLD inlet, that was LONG since out of production. So again not based on something related to the inlet you are talking about.
You have been on this forum long enough, I know you know that as well.



Couple things here...

1) If he had been out of the car for 3 months, obviously 1 more day wouldn't have been the end of the world, to call us and talk about this issue.

2) As you very well know, these new cars threw the entire tuning world for a loop. Literally EVERYONE fought issues in the start as everyone got up to speed. We go out of our way to try and make sure dealers have the ability, however sometimes employes change, tuners change, etc. So we try to stay on top of that. However at the end of the day, the only tunes that we can really back, are the ones we provide.

3) We have a bunch of awesome tech guys that work their butts off M-F 8:30 to 5:30 to take a call whenever. We can also take FB messages, instagram, emails etc. 24-7. We literally CRUSH the customer service side of things. I am sorry that we were closed when you called, however would have been open the next day, I assure you. (if it was a weekday)



Yes, a heads up would have been what I consider normal for a shop to do.

1 failure is hardly the reason to make a massive change. Heck if that was the case we would have an "oil less" blower, since more people forget to put oil in them every month, then I have heard of inlet issues total.



If this even accounted for .005% of the units sold currently, I could see a change being made. However, again this goes back to this being the first issue we have seen with inlet. (not counting the early early early units you talk about)

So yes, very easy to make a change if there is a reason for the change.





I stated I would give you a call after the photoshoot I was at, since I am not in the office. (which I am still at sadly) However, it seems you are putting words in my mouth, and thats not cool at all.



There has been some really amazing "myths" that have been spoken by tuners when these systems first came out, that have now all been de bunked by LOTS of cars (both with our blowers, other blowers, and turbos) now all running fast, and making big power.

Some of the ones I heard...

- our bypass valves won't work
- mafs in the intercoolers don't work
- our intercoolers use the same tune (that one was scary)
- bucking can only be fixed by swapping intakes
- IMRC's will never be able to be deleted
- can't have good hot starts with 95lb injectors
- fuel trims can't be turned on.

When the truth was, that it was a giant learning curve for most, and now that everyone has lots of hours behind them.....

Literally EVERY SINGLE ONE of those myths has now been proven false.
Only thing is, we haven't changed a single bolt on our system.
(other then that first inlet change)




I wish you would have just ordered one of our complete systems. Literally daily these units go out, people install them in their garage with hand tools, and have them running by the end of the day. No missing events, no monkey business, just good running cars, and it seems instagram shoots LOL.

Again, we can talk about that tomorrow when I am back in the office.



yes, its about facts, and here they are.

1) You make a competing product both in Forced induction systems, and inlets that you have posted about.

2) You post about previous inlet issues, yet you KNOW those are from early-production units that haven't been sold in over a year. (or more) So not really "facts" .... you are trying to bend the truth in your favor. Not cool.

3) Out of the thousands of that tube that has now left the building, your experience is the FIRST and ONLY time I have heard of an issue. (Most 900hp stuff I doubt runs our inlet, nor should it) Please feel free to correct me if I am incorrect. I just can't find any on the net, or in our service logs.



I have to say until I saw this post of his... I would have enjoyed chatting with him when I come and visit TX.

However, it seems that he can fire his bullets at us...
Sway the "truth" by posting about early shipping inlets.

Yet, I am not allowed to defend our product with facts, and sheer numbers of the systems out there that have no issues. Thats not very fair...

Had Travis called me and chatted, even if it was an install error, part failure, whatever... it would have been a MUCH different conversation then it is now.

:(

In closing, I want to thank all those that use our product, race our product, and have killer results, and all the amazing photos I see all over every form of social media I can think off. These cars have been amazing to work on, and I can't wait to see them continue to progress.


Nobody will read this, since its to long.
And with that, back to photos...

I read it all I still feel one failure is one to many .. Look at all the bad will it has caused .. Simple fix is upgrade the elbow and call it a day ..

 

[smokinzx14r]

but denying every single claim without even reviewing it, and saying it's the installers fault is free...

My hope that is not the case .. I did pay extra for the extended warrantee ..:eyebulge:

 

[Travis@boostworks]

Not going to argue.. I have no beef with Procharger. The blower ate the elbow, plain and simple. If they want to say that it's not a problem, then I'll disagree and they can say or do whatever they choose. A simple apology to the customer and to us for this waste of time would have been nice. Just reporting what this car did. Nothing more, nothing less.

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