Problems Fitting Kooks Headers

[hinch]

wortec don't do both sides LT though do they and ARH nobody knows anything about they've not posted anything or set an eta eg: how is ARH doing it any different from kooks doing it yank company getting it wrong.

I could go to powerflow and get them to custom make me some too but tbh i'm not confident they'd get details right due to lack of experience with mustangs

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[Enoch]

Anyone doing a custom one off set is going to be a lot more expensive than a set from Aus....

I think it may have been [MENTION=30247]Gibbo[/MENTION] who approached JP exhausts, and was quite shocked at the quote he received....

I know from my TVR days, that UK supplied headers were well over £2k and compared to the mustang, they're quite simple

My own personal opinion is that £1500 ish from SF is a bloody bargain..

Don't forget that includes cats, and ceramic coating...

It's worth pointing out though, that I had a further £350 for my custom join up pipes, but that was only because I wanted 200 cell cats.... if I'd gone with the SF 100 cell, I wouldn't have needed these..

The other thing is, that I was expecting HMG to come knocking for import duty, but for some reason that didn't happen, but don't tell anyoneaddle:addle:

 

[Manders Mustang]

wortec don't do both sides LT though do they and ARH nobody knows anything about they've not posted anything or set an eta eg: how is ARH doing it any different from kooks doing it yank company getting it wrong.

I could go to powerflow and get them to custom make me some too but tbh i'm not confident they'd get details right due to lack of experience with mustangs

Wortec don't do either side LT, but when i was speaking tot hem if theres a big enough demand, they'll do it.
It's just right side manifold they do which they found to be the biggest restrictor... even bigger bonus, they actually have a RHD mustang.

ARH i believe are in the UK or have a RHD car from what i've been hearing.

Kooks do it all through UK pilot testing of them, which is evidently proving to be costly, and could be more costly further down the line with possible starter motors going caput, who knows.

 

[Gibbo205]

Wortec are they're based in Milton Keynes, and ARH are over here doing it as well.

This by the end of the year I am sure there will be some UK offerings at around £1000-£1250

 

[willisit]

Wortec are they're based in Milton Keynes, and ARH are over here doing it as well.

Monkfish is in MK (the official dealer). Wortec is down the road from me on the South Coast (I know Paul, the Director).

 

[hinch]

Monkfish is in MK (the official dealer). Wortec is down the road from me on the South Coast (I know Paul, the Director).

well tell him to get cracking on a high quality LT set for us £1k a set please.

 

[willisit]

well tell him to get cracking on a high quality LT set for us £1k a set please.

£1k? No chance! Wortec stuff is GOOD, but it ain't cheap.

 

[Manders Mustang]

Monkfish is in MK (the official dealer). Wortec is down the road from me on the South Coast (I know Paul, the Director).

Ah yeah, one of them... I got lost, Monkfish had about 15 different company names that I couldn't keep up with so mentally noted them as all under the same roof :lol:!

Anyway, UK based south somewhere ;)!

I agree with [MENTION=21524]willisit[/MENTION] £1k for a set of top quality headers? If you wanted proper cats rather than the american rubbish, you'd probably pay half of that for them :eyebulge:.

 

[hinch]

£1k? No chance! Wortec stuff is GOOD, but it ain't cheap.

there's less than 300 quid worth of stainless in a set of headers so 700 quid worth of development/manufacture/ship/profit per each sold is massive over kill.

lets say it takes a "exhaust engineer" 2 months to develop them on a salary of say 25k a year (usually they're well below this) that means your staffing costs are about 4.1k (excluding employer NI contributions ofc) add in some dev materials and costs of trial and error etc lets generously say 10k for development.

All you gotta do is sell 15 sets to be in clear profit if I had the tools / skills to actually make them myself I'd happily do it and ship at that pretty sure selling 15 sets would be relatively trivial since theres more than 15 people alone on this site that have spent about that on the normal exhaust (again massively over priced but yay import duties + insane profit margins)

i'm getting a little annoyed with people wanting stupid money for stuff just because its a mustang and we all eagerly jump in to pay it I don't begrudge anyone making a profit but there's profit then there's price gouging.

 

[Manders Mustang]

there's less than 300 quid worth of stainless in a set of headers so 700 quid worth of development/manufacture/ship/profit per each sold is massive over kill.

lets say it takes a "exhaust engineer" 2 months to develop them on a salary of say 25k a year (usually they're well below this) that means your staffing costs are about 4.1k (excluding employer NI contributions ofc) add in some dev materials and costs of trial and error etc lets generously say 10k for development.

All you gotta do is sell 15 sets to be in clear profit if I had the tools / skills to actually make them myself I'd happily do it and ship at that pretty sure selling 15 sets would be relatively trivial since theres more than 15 people alone on this site that have spent about that on the normal exhaust (again massively over priced but yay import duties + insane profit margins)

i'm getting a little annoyed with people wanting stupid money for stuff just because its a mustang and we all eagerly jump in to pay it I don't begrudge anyone making a profit but there's profit then there's price gouging.

£300 stainless steal
RND cost
Hour rate of person + RND cost
Rate of machine leasing
Fabrication costs
Testing
redoing if needed

Put it this way, at £2k for a set of headers it'd probably be cheap if you ask me.
I know for a fact when i was speaking to wortec/monkfish that if they were doing LT headers (which they said they would if there was demand) they'd be using the highest quality cats, which would be a considerable amount on their own (Some german 3 letter brand like HRG or something)

 

[hinch]

thank god you don't work in manufacturing I'd already factored in basic R&D labour costs machine costs would be split down across all products manufactured since you wouldn't be purchasing a machine specifically for one job. a pipe bender capable of 3" runs at about 10k which will already have been capitalised against the business / other products already so can be ignored near enough. testing and redoing comes again in labour costs + materials so at most another £300 per attempt 2 months would be more than enough time to design/develop/test other manufacturers manage to do it in that time or less. £1k would be your sweet spot with a short enough costs recovery time + cheap enough that you're going to sell in quantity vs selling just 1 or 2.
Economies of scale factor in heavily here price at £2k you'll only sell a couple especially when you can import a set from aus for £1500. come in at 1k and you'll sell more than enough for it to be profitable and chances are they'll work on next gen mustang too or require very minimal alterations.

 

[kz]

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i'm getting a little annoyed with people wanting stupid money for stuff just because its a mustang and we all eagerly jump in to pay it I don't begrudge anyone making a profit but there's profit then there's price gouging.

Seems like perfect opportunity for you to sell your own and be a rich man...

 

[Manders Mustang]

thank god you don't work in manufacturing I'd already factored in basic R&D labour costs machine costs would be split down across all products manufactured since you wouldn't be purchasing a machine specifically for one job. a pipe bender capable of 3" runs at about 10k which will already have been capitalised against the business / other products already so can be ignored near enough. testing and redoing comes again in labour costs + materials so at most another £300 per attempt 2 months would be more than enough time to design/develop/test other manufacturers manage to do it in that time or less. £1k would be your sweet spot with a short enough costs recovery time + cheap enough that you're going to sell in quantity vs selling just 1 or 2.
Economies of scale factor in heavily here price at £2k you'll only sell a couple especially when you can import a set from aus for £1500. come in at 1k and you'll sell more than enough for it to be profitable and chances are they'll work on next gen mustang too or require very minimal alterations.

Yeah but realistically how many people are going to buy them......... you can say "sell 15" but realistically you've probably got maybe 5-10 people if you're lucky (On the forum) who would buy them.

Other things to factor in:
Admin costs/other staffing costs
potential sales
retesting (you aint going to make them perfect first time lets be honest here)
All equipment etc
CATs if allowing people to have these


I get the point that steel isn't a exactly a steal but it's pretty cheap and theres big margins etc. But £1k is surely far far too cheap.

 

[hinch]

Seems like perfect opportunity for you to sell your own and be a rich man...

I have my own businesses to deal with thanks don't need another one.


manders, cats (even good ones) aren't that expensive wholesale other staffing costs are offset/spread across other area's of the business since they make other products the % contribution to cost of mustang specific parts would be minimal as a fraction of overall costings from other area's of the business 1% at most.

If you think about it you can name almost 10 people who we know already have shelled out up to £2k for imported headers imagine if someone with the manufacturing capability had that header done sooner/12 months ago lets face it we're 3 years down the line of mustangs in the UK now almost. At very least by now they'd have made back initial costings and would be in high percent profit by now.

 

[GR11M]

Cars almost ready, while it's there they have also fitted my GT350 parts and sprayed my hood vents.

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