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[poll] Auto or Manual next gen?

Auto or Manual

  • Auto

    Votes: 115 34.8%
  • Manual

    Votes: 215 65.2%

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I almost ordered an auto in my LE but changed the order to a manual. I was set on an Auto in the LE because I could get the performance pack with it. In the end... now that my wrist has healed... I just really enjoy the changing of the gears when I choose to change them.
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I have had stick-shift Mustangs for 25 years. So I ordered an automatic.

Why? Because aside from the Mustangs, I have also had an Infiniti G35 and my current MKZ with automatics, and I have grown rather fond of the instant gratification of just punching it and passing someone. With the Mustangs, I am always in the wrong gear when an opening comes (unless I want to cruise in 3rd for miles, waiting for it) and so the automatic is WAY faster from decision to completed pass. In fact, both cars mentioned are just way faster than my old 5.0 Mustangs in passing maneuvers like that. Surprising.
I find it funny that I ordered a manual for almost exactly the same reason. I feel like in an auto, it is reacting to me wanting to pass or merge and I am forever trying to push the gas exactly far enough to have the car shift to the gear I want yet not so far as to drop to a gear too low. I like a manual because I know what gear I want at least several seconds before I hit the gas and I can be proactive where an auto will always be reactive.

Granted the situation is made worse by my under powered, over weight minivan, but I drove an automatic 2005 mustang and an automatic BMW 335i and while both were fine vehicles, I liked the manual 350Z better in traffic. Yeah, I know, I'm :headbonk:

Just glad we have options. Enjoy your car!! :thumbsup:
 

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I find it funny that I ordered a manual for almost exactly the same reason. I feel like in an auto, it is reacting to me wanting to pass or merge and I am forever trying to push the gas exactly far enough to have the car shift to the gear I want yet not so far as to drop to a gear too low. I like a manual because I know what gear I want at least several seconds before I hit the gas and I can be proactive where an auto will always be reactive.

Granted the situation is made worse by my under powered, over weight minivan, but I drove an automatic 2005 mustang and an automatic BMW 335i and while both were fine vehicles, I liked the manual 350Z better in traffic. Yeah, I know, I'm :headbonk:

Just glad we have options. Enjoy your car!! :thumbsup:
This is why I drive in "manual" mode 99% of the time. Even if it's just some simple overtake work, I like to be in the right gear. Also, for a forced-induction car that produces a lot of low-end torque (my car or the upcoming EB S550), it's nice to stay in a high gear while using heavy throttle. The only way to do that is with a manual or by staying in manual mode on an auto, otherwise the transmission kicks down a gear or two as you lay into the pedal.
 

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I find it funny that I ordered a manual for almost exactly the same reason. I feel like in an auto, it is reacting to me wanting to pass or merge and I am forever trying to push the gas exactly far enough to have the car shift to the gear I want yet not so far as to drop to a gear too low. I like a manual because I know what gear I want at least several seconds before I hit the gas and I can be proactive where an auto will always be reactive.

Granted the situation is made worse by my under powered, over weight minivan, but I drove an automatic 2005 mustang and an automatic BMW 335i and while both were fine vehicles, I liked the manual 350Z better in traffic. Yeah, I know, I'm :headbonk:

Just glad we have options. Enjoy your car!! :thumbsup:
I find manual vastly superior to automatic in stop and go gridlock. I can control my speed much more accurately and can crawl at a slower speed, while being able to instantly accelerate and decelerate without touching the brake pedal. Every time I'm in an automatic, when I'm in traffic, I feel like I'm on the brakes so often that I worry about them getting too hot. When I drive a manual, I'm not touching any pedals most of the time and controlling the vehicle more accurately while doing it.
 

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I find manual vastly superior to automatic in stop and go gridlock. I can control my speed much more accurately and can crawl at a slower speed, while being able to instantly accelerate and decelerate without touching the brake pedal. Every time I'm in an automatic, when I'm in traffic, I feel like I'm on the brakes so often that I worry about them getting too hot. When I drive a manual, I'm not touching any pedals most of the time and controlling the vehicle more accurately while doing it.
Pretty much any modern auto box allows you to control individual gears (if you want to utilize engine braking, for instance). Not that it's as fun, but that's a moot contrast point.
 

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I find manual vastly superior to automatic in stop and go gridlock. I can control my speed much more accurately and can crawl at a slower speed, while being able to instantly accelerate and decelerate without touching the brake pedal. Every time I'm in an automatic, when I'm in traffic, I feel like I'm on the brakes so often that I worry about them getting too hot. When I drive a manual, I'm not touching any pedals most of the time and controlling the vehicle more accurately while doing it.
No offense, but if you really think that then you're doing it (AT) wrong. Everything I can do with a manual in stop and go traffic I can do with even less effort in an automatic. I can down shift/engine brake in an automatic, I can slip it into neutral and wait at a light in an automatic, if I need to move forward a car length or two I can hit D for a second then back to N. If that's too much acceleration I can tug on the e-brake for a more abrupt stop. In fact, I could do all of that with both of my feet hanging out the window if I wanted to.

Manual transmissions have many perks, but ease of use in stop and go traffic is not one of them. :shrug:
 

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Engine compression braking is less with an automatic because the torque converter will allow the wheels to overrun the engine. Kind of the flip side to engine revs running above what the road speed and gear would require during acceleration. I'm assuming no converter lockup here due to either speeds or intent.


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Pretty much any modern auto box allows you to control individual gears (if you want to utilize engine braking, for instance). Not that it's as fun, but that's a moot contrast point.
Agreed, but most automatic's won't hold first till red line. In my manual I can keep it in first and just get on and off the gas. My transmission never gets into 2nd. So when traffic ahead of me randomly gives it gas, then hits their brakes and slows down, I can speed up with them and just let my foot off the gas while at high RPM's in first gear and engine brake. The problem here is that most automatics want fuel economy and will upshift as soon as it can, my manual only does exactly what I want.


No offense, but if you really think that then you're doing it (AT) wrong. Everything I can do with a manual in stop and go traffic I can do with even less effort in an automatic. I can down shift/engine brake in an automatic, I can slip it into neutral and wait at a light in an automatic, if I need to move forward a car length or two I can hit D for a second then back to N. If that's too much acceleration I can tug on the e-brake for a more abrupt stop. In fact, I could do all of that with both of my feet hanging out the window if I wanted to.

Manual transmissions have many perks, but ease of use in stop and go traffic is not one of them. :shrug:
You're missing the point. Yes you can downshift an automatic, but can you NOT UPSHIFT an automatic when it wants to upshift from 1st to 2nd?
Yes you can go into neutral and back and all that jazz....I don't do that in a manual though. I'm talking about crawling forward, in gear, as slow as you can. I can leave it in first and with the flick of an ankle both accelerate and decelerate with much more control than an automatic could give.

When I drive a manual in traffic, I'm touching all the pedals less than when I drive an automatic in traffic.
 

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Engine compression braking is less with an automatic because the torque converter will allow the wheels to overrun the engine. Kind of the flip side to engine revs running above what the road speed and gear would require during acceleration. I'm assuming no converter lockup here due to either speeds or intent.


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I'm sure it depends on the transmission. My 335i's ZF 6-speed locks up at an incredibly low ~1100ish RPM and at some very low speed. It's like throwing an anchor out back if I lift off in second, and first is just stupidly short to the point that I never start in it, even from a dig. Neither will the ECU, if it's left in the default shift mode, only in "drive sport."
 

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You're missing the point. Yes you can downshift an automatic, but can you NOT UPSHIFT an automatic when it wants to upshift from 1st to 2nd?
Yes you can go into neutral and back and all that jazz....I don't do that in a manual though. I'm talking about crawling forward, in gear, as slow as you can. I can leave it in first and with the flick of an ankle both accelerate and decelerate with much more control than an automatic could give.
Same thing in an automatic, though - I'm in traffic all the time where I'll go an hour or more only touching one pedal (the brake). Car will get up to at least 10 mph in neutral, and in a real traffic jam you're seldom going to go faster than that.
 

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Same thing in an automatic, though - I'm in traffic all the time where I'll go an hour or more only touching one pedal (the brake). Car will get up to at least 10 mph in neutral, and in a real traffic jam you're seldom going to go faster than that.
The main difference is that you don`t have to keep using your left foot to keep depressing the clutch pedal but simply move your right foot from the brake to the accelerator. Do that for an hour or so you`ll need to self inject yourself with a Cortisone Shot into your left knee joint to relieve the stiffness and pain!
 

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Same thing in an automatic, though - I'm in traffic all the time where I'll go an hour or more only touching one pedal (the brake). Car will get up to at least 10 mph in neutral, and in a real traffic jam you're seldom going to go faster than that.
That's exactly one of my gripes about driving a car with automatic - being forced to ride the brakes in very slow speed driving. Stepping only on the 'stop' pedal in order to keep 'going' just feels wrong.


BTW, I'm sure that you meant to type '10 mph in Drive' ;)


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Maybe I haven't seen the worse traffic yet. But do have seen a fair share of pretty bad ones, and this has never been a problem for me. Maybe I just enjoy using the clutch :headbonk:

In fact, I double clutch every time I down shift, be it a direct down shift or a heel-toe down shift. (Before you say it, I know this is not necessary anymore for modern cars with robust synchronizers. But I enjoying doing this so that the shifter falls into the lower gear effortlessly.)

Plus, driving a stick exercises both of your legs :thumbsup:
 

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One thing that sticks in a driver's mind is; coming off the main straight and pressing hard on the brakes and not slowing down while diving into the first corner. After only one lap of that, you'll have a newfound respect for not putting excess heat into your brakes, It's so ingrained in me now that....my brake pads last forever, because I don't use them very often.

My soul can't take cruising forward with my pads rubbing on my rotors, wasting heat and pad when I don't have to.

Most of the time in traffic, I have it in first gear, crawling as slow as I can forward, so I don't have complaints about the clutch, most of the time I don't need to use it because I stay in first and coast a lot more. I do feel bad for you if you're not physically capable of driving the more enjoyable choice, but I can't even recall my left leg moving, it just happens so automatically that it's as memorable as breathing, remember all your breaths you've taken in your car? The clutch pedal seems to be a non-event for me.:shrug:

Also, in traffic it seems like it would be more PITA to move my foot left and right to go from brake to gas when in the manual I simply move my ankle in and out on the gas pedal in 1st to accel/decel.

Still my biggest problem is mental, I'm use to every application of the brakes is a little more heat into them and therefore one less time I can really stomp on them when I need to.

P.S. Your left knee, like every other body part, will get weaker if you don't use it and get stronger by using it often. Don't want your knee to hurt? Use it a lot from an early age and never stop exercising it....like you would if you drive manual. After all, you do the same motion way more often with your right knee and it doesn't hurt, because you exercise it more while driving.
 

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That's exactly one of my gripes about driving a car with automatic - being forced to ride the brakes in very slow speed driving. Stepping only on the 'stop' pedal in order to keep 'going' just feels wrong.


BTW, I'm sure that you meant to type '10 mph in Drive' ;)


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Yeah; I meant "at idle," but, brain fart.

As to what feels "wrong"... Well, that's just personal preference.
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