Pan interviews Matt Moreman from Obsessed Garage

[Evolvd]

Yeah I know some of yall dislike one or both of these people…I don’t care, so save those comments for someone else.

This is a great interview of Matt from OG telling his story of how his obsession started and where he’s going with the company in the future.

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[dpAtlanta]

I followed Matt and his GT350 purchase/paint correction/detailing about 5 months from ordering to taking delivery of my 2019 Shelby… watched every episode.
He really knows his stuff and his background on starting the website is genuine.

 

[DFB5.0]

Yeah I know some of yall dislike one or both of these people…I don’t care, so save those comments for someone else.

This is a great interview of Matt from OG telling his story of how his obsession started and where he’s going with the company in the future.

I know Matt hacks off a lot of people, even me at times, but I think his story is worth listening too. Humans are complex beings, and quite often we judge based on surface level. That applies to both Matt and Pan here. Digging deeper, I discovered things I didn't like about Pan, despite him being a polished presenter in his videos. Matt, he comes off as abrasive, but when I started to learn more, I discovered aspects of his life struggles I related to. You really need to hear where he has come from, and how his business is set up to realize why he might ask you to pay for shipping, or not pandering to idiot customers who are just looking for an excuse to be offended.

This video is also worth watching, it goes into more detail with regard to how products come to market, white labeling, business ect. I've never been a huge fan of Jimbo, but I took something away from him here and have a new appreciation for him. Open mind.

 

[Angrey]

I followed OG when through his GT350 "phase."

There's very few detailing channels or content on the market that aren't completely and utterly biased. I have a group/community that I respect and it ain't either of them. They're all bought and paid for in some way (some more than others) and the really good ones don't try to push absolutes or specific products or techniques. There's more than one way to skin a cat so to speak, but most of the detailing vendors, shops, content creators in the entire auto marketplace have an inescapable conflict of interest when it comes to advising the customer. And real, honest, independent testing doesn't lie or exaggerate.

And I totally dig his M3 build, sounds incredible. But yeah, for detailing content, I'll ingest elsewhere.

 

[DFB5.0]

I followed OG when through his GT350 "phase."

There's very few detailing channels or content on the market that aren't completely and utterly biased. I have a group/community that I respect and it ain't either of them. They're all bought and paid for in some way (some more than others) and the really good ones don't try to push absolutes or specific products or techniques. There's more than one way to skin a cat so to speak, but most of the detailing vendors, shops, content creators in the entire auto marketplace have an inescapable conflict of interest when it comes to advising the customer. And real, honest, independent testing doesn't lie or exaggerate.

And I totally dig his M3 build, sounds incredible. But yeah, for detailing content, I'll ingest elsewhere.

I've still learnt a lot from watching his content, you just have to know what to take on board and what to disregard. But that would apply to many content creators. I know a lot in the enthusiast detailing community like to slag off The Rag Company, along the lines of "The Hype Company" or similar. But that tends to ignore the fact that they are in the business of selling products, if they weren't talking up their product, then they aren't doing their jobs. It also ignores how TRC have made certain products and tools industry mainstream. And the same applies to OG, how many people use a short gun on their pressure washer? Yes, I know he didn't invent the short gun, but it was his work and influence that made them a mainstream option for the enthusiast/hobbyist market.

Of all of Matt's cars, and his various Porche's, it was his paint to sample Brewster Green GT3 Touring. He waited a year for that car, then sold in 1000 miles on it. Crazy.

 

[MAGS1]

Not a huge fan of Matt, Pan or Jimbo personally, but I do appreciate the work those guys and others put in to get to where they are.

As Angrey stated, most of the bigger channels are bought and paid for or they spend a lot of time just pumping their own products. Which I get, they’re in the market to sell their stuff, but I don’t always find it useful. Using Pan as an example, he made a large chunk of his viewer base made when his year end awards show turned into a personal award for all of his products before they had even been released and used by the general public. Stuff like that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

I’ve not been watching much in the way of YouTube lately, a lot of the different channels I watch have just become stale lately. I might try to find some smaller channels to watch, but it feels like the end game is all the same for all these YouTubers. Which is to become big channels with big sponsors and make YouTube their day job. And at that point, their channels just become giant advertisements for whoever their sponsors are or whatever product they developed.

 

[Angrey]

I'm one of the contrarians who thinks foam cannons are stupid. It's for OCD minded individuals who need to be doing SOMETHING.

Foam cannons only make sense if you're washing a garage/show queen that never sees real driving or elements.

There's no way around it, if you want to wash a car and get bugs, road grime and otherwise "normal" contaminants off it, it's GOING to involve some form of manual action, whether that's pressure and force from a spray or a wash mitt, you're NOT going to get the car clean just buy holding your purse and sprinkling foam all over it to rinse it off.

Just use the two bucket method and keep your mitt/sponge clean.

So yeah, I don't use nor need a dumbass cannon to distribute the soap because I'm using a mitt that gets soap on it from a bucket anyway.

I guess if my car remained indoor and all I was trying to do was rinse it off for a show, then maybe. But REAL car enthusiasts shouldn't fall for the foam cannon bullshit.

Using a foam cannon on your car is like spritzing your arm pits and your crotch and your ass with a spray and then doing a dainty dance in the water and calling yourself clean.

And I think they've capitalized on all the OCD energy by selling unnecessary products or products that don't really work in the real world. It's like selling someone a "touchless" vacuum cleaner because they're so neurotic they don't want to touch the leather or carpet or alcantera for fear of wearing it.

And there are a couple of detailing content guys who have their own products but are honest about them and do RESULTS driven evaluations WITH measurements and they recommend all sorts of products and they're honest. The market space is honestly flooded with all sorts of wizards trying to give the most "marketable" products to hype and sell. And like the debates about motor oil, the reality is much more nuanced to the point that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But selling to OCD's is easy.

 

[MAGS1]

I'm one of the contrarians who thinks foam cannons are stupid. It's for OCD minded individuals who need to be doing SOMETHING.

Foam cannons only make sense if you're washing a garage/show queen that never sees real driving or elements.

There's no way around it, if you want to wash a car and get bugs, road grime and otherwise "normal" contaminants off it, it's GOING to involve some form of manual action, whether that's pressure and force from a spray or a wash mitt, you're NOT going to get the car clean just buy holding your purse and sprinkling foam all over it to rinse it off.

Just use the two bucket method and keep your mitt/sponge clean.

So yeah, I don't use nor need a dumbass cannon to distribute the soap because I'm using a mitt that gets soap on it from a bucket anyway.

I guess if my car remained indoor and all I was trying to do was rinse it off for a show, then maybe. But REAL car enthusiasts shouldn't fall for the foam cannon bullshit.

Using a foam cannon on your car is like spritzing your arm pits and your crotch and your ass with a spray and then doing a dainty dance in the water and calling yourself clean.

And I think they've capitalized on all the OCD energy by selling unnecessary products or products that don't really work in the real world. It's like selling someone a "touchless" vacuum cleaner because they're so neurotic they don't want to touch the leather or carpet or alcantera for fear of wearing it.

And there are a couple of detailing content guys who have their own products but are honest about them and do RESULTS driven evaluations WITH measurements and they recommend all sorts of products and they're honest. The market space is honestly flooded with all sorts of wizards trying to give the most "marketable" products to hype and sell. And like the debates about motor oil, the reality is much more nuanced to the point that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But selling to OCD's is easy.

Counter argument. Foam cannons come in handy as a pre-soak to lift dirt off the paint before the hand wash. Especially up here in the north with our road salt in the winter time. That first full spring wash can be nasty, and paired with something like Carpro Lift, a foam cannon can be very useful. I don’t use one as my only means of washing though. I always follow with a hand wash and I don’t always use a foam cannon before a hand wash.

 

[Evolvd]

I'm one of the contrarians who thinks foam cannons are stupid. It's for OCD minded individuals who need to be doing SOMETHING.

Foam cannons only make sense if you're washing a garage/show queen that never sees real driving or elements.

There's no way around it, if you want to wash a car and get bugs, road grime and otherwise "normal" contaminants off it, it's GOING to involve some form of manual action, whether that's pressure and force from a spray or a wash mitt, you're NOT going to get the car clean just buy holding your purse and sprinkling foam all over it to rinse it off.

Just use the two bucket method and keep your mitt/sponge clean.

So yeah, I don't use nor need a dumbass cannon to distribute the soap because I'm using a mitt that gets soap on it from a bucket anyway.

I guess if my car remained indoor and all I was trying to do was rinse it off for a show, then maybe. But REAL car enthusiasts shouldn't fall for the foam cannon bullshit.

Using a foam cannon on your car is like spritzing your arm pits and your crotch and your ass with a spray and then doing a dainty dance in the water and calling yourself clean.

And I think they've capitalized on all the OCD energy by selling unnecessary products or products that don't really work in the real world. It's like selling someone a "touchless" vacuum cleaner because they're so neurotic they don't want to touch the leather or carpet or alcantera for fear of wearing it.

And there are a couple of detailing content guys who have their own products but are honest about them and do RESULTS driven evaluations WITH measurements and they recommend all sorts of products and they're honest. The market space is honestly flooded with all sorts of wizards trying to give the most "marketable" products to hype and sell. And like the debates about motor oil, the reality is much more nuanced to the point that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But selling to OCD's is easy.

You’ve completely missed the point of foam cannons. But hey, whatever works for you.

 

[DFB5.0]

I'm one of the contrarians who thinks foam cannons are stupid. It's for OCD minded individuals who need to be doing SOMETHING.

Foam cannons only make sense if you're washing a garage/show queen that never sees real driving or elements.

There's no way around it, if you want to wash a car and get bugs, road grime and otherwise "normal" contaminants off it, it's GOING to involve some form of manual action, whether that's pressure and force from a spray or a wash mitt, you're NOT going to get the car clean just buy holding your purse and sprinkling foam all over it to rinse it off.

Just use the two bucket method and keep your mitt/sponge clean.

So yeah, I don't use nor need a dumbass cannon to distribute the soap because I'm using a mitt that gets soap on it from a bucket anyway.

I guess if my car remained indoor and all I was trying to do was rinse it off for a show, then maybe. But REAL car enthusiasts shouldn't fall for the foam cannon bullshit.

Using a foam cannon on your car is like spritzing your arm pits and your crotch and your ass with a spray and then doing a dainty dance in the water and calling yourself clean.

And I think they've capitalized on all the OCD energy by selling unnecessary products or products that don't really work in the real world. It's like selling someone a "touchless" vacuum cleaner because they're so neurotic they don't want to touch the leather or carpet or alcantera for fear of wearing it.

And there are a couple of detailing content guys who have their own products but are honest about them and do RESULTS driven evaluations WITH measurements and they recommend all sorts of products and they're honest. The market space is honestly flooded with all sorts of wizards trying to give the most "marketable" products to hype and sell. And like the debates about motor oil, the reality is much more nuanced to the point that most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference. But selling to OCD's is easy.

Counter argument. Foam cannons come in handy as a pre-soak to lift dirt off the paint before the hand wash. Especially up here in the north with our road salt in the winter time. That first full spring wash can be nasty, and paired with something like Carpro Lift, a foam cannon can be very useful. I don’t use one as my only means of washing though. I always follow with a hand wash and I don’t always use a foam cannon before a hand wash.

As others have mentioned, I think your perception of a foam cannon is flawed. There are many reasons to use a foam cannon, and only in very rare instances would you use one in a completely touchless way.

As MAGS suggests, a foam cannon is a way of applying soap or cleaning agents to the whole vehicle, then allowed to soak and start the breaking down dirt and grime, which is then rinsed to reveal a cleaner surface to work with when during the contact wash. Doing this is safer and less likely to cause swirls and scratches.

The main reason why I use a foam cannon is to provide lubrication to the whole vehicle, meaning I don't need a "wash" bucket with soap, just a "rinse" bucket with plain water in it. Having so much lubrication on the car, I feel this is safer, but also more efficient in that I'm not dragging two buckets full of water around the car.

So no, a foam cannon is not the flawed touch-free concept you described, and not just for OCD people.

 

[MAGS1]

Since the Rose Bowl was a bit of a dud yesterday, I decided to look at Pan’s views on his videos over the last few months to see what the trend has been. With the exception of one or two videos, his views have dropped by a pretty fair amount, with several videos not even reaching 10k views. Leads me to believe he’s ticked off a fair amount of viewers with his “scrubbing” of comments to remove all of the “hate and toxicity”. And possibly some viewers have left since he’s not really reviewing anything other than his own products now. Subscriber counts still appears to be about what it has been, so he doesn’t appear to be losing subs over it. Just views

I’m sure he’s making good coin on his new line of products so it probably doesn’t affect him much but something I just found interesting.

 

[Angrey]

Since the Rose Bowl was a bit of a dud yesterday, I decided to look at Pan’s views on his videos over the last few months to see what the trend has been. With the exception of one or two videos, his views have dropped by a pretty fair amount, with several videos not even reaching 10k views. Leads me to believe he’s ticked off a fair amount of viewers with his “scrubbing” of comments to remove all of the “hate and toxicity”. And possibly some viewers have left since he’s not really reviewing anything other than his own products now. Subscriber counts still appears to be about what it has been, so he doesn’t appear to be losing subs over it. Just views

I’m sure he’s making good coin on his new line of products so it probably doesn’t affect him much but something I just found interesting.

Well, it's what happens when they get in bed with a particular brand or product. Most of them start off being general detailing content and then eventually they decide that they've gonna create their own product (which usually means partnering with a manufacturer), so then they have to defend the comments, whereas if they remained neutral and unbought, they could continue to serve content to everyone. Can't blame them, it's a short term vision and making easy money (through product sales) vs long term vision to keep creating content and making most of your money through clicks and views.

 

[DFB5.0]

Since the Rose Bowl was a bit of a dud yesterday, I decided to look at Pan’s views on his videos over the last few months to see what the trend has been. With the exception of one or two videos, his views have dropped by a pretty fair amount, with several videos not even reaching 10k views. Leads me to believe he’s ticked off a fair amount of viewers with his “scrubbing” of comments to remove all of the “hate and toxicity”. And possibly some viewers have left since he’s not really reviewing anything other than his own products now. Subscriber counts still appears to be about what it has been, so he doesn’t appear to be losing subs over it. Just views

I’m sure he’s making good coin on his new line of products so it probably doesn’t affect him much but something I just found interesting.

In an interview at Sema, Pan said he only lost something like 135 subscriptions after the launch of his brand.

How many here have a long list of channel subscriptions you rarely, if ever, watch? I know I do, so I suspect many who found issue with his content late last year simply stopped watching rather than consciously un-subscribing to the channel. Myself, I actually purposely unsubscribed because of how he handled things. Most won't be that deliberate.

So, I guess the actual view counts of his recent videos paints a clearer picture. Not that he would admit that, he would come up with some protracted excuse about people being trolls or spreading nasty comments.

 

[MAGS1]

In an interview at Sema, Pan said he only lost something like 135 subscriptions after the launch of his brand.

How many here have a long list of channel subscriptions you rarely, if ever, watch? I know I do, so I suspect many who found issue with his content late last year simply stopped watching rather than consciously un-subscribing to the channel. Myself, I actually purposely unsubscribed because of how he handled things. Most won't be that deliberate.

So, I guess the actual view counts of his recent videos paints a clearer picture. Not that he would admit that, he would come up with some protracted excuse about people being trolls or spreading nasty comments.

I haven’t unsubscribed from his channel yet, so I’m one of those that is still subscribed but doesn’t watch. Good reminder, I should go through my YouTube subscriptions and unsubscribe to those I don’t watch anymore. I’ve got quite a few

 

[Verifythesource]

I have a hard time following someone or being a fan of a guy who bends the truth about his health condition just so he has a better story to sell. Vasovagal syncope is NOT OCD. Yes, there’s an obsessive component with Vasovagal syncope but to try and say you deal with OcD instead is just a lie. They are two separate things. Also, I lost a bit of respect when they started to run the illegal lottery’s that they tried to call “giveaways” while profiting hundreds of thousands of dollars. I’m a bit surprised that a majority of the people who gave him money haven’t even taken the time to read the actual rules as they would have realized just how slim their chances of winning really were. There are other situations that rubbed me the wrong way but these were the main issues I encountered.

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