Own up...

[stevec]

Insurance wise, I am sure this will go as a 50/50

Police wont be interested if no-one was hurt, even though they were there, although they would be a witness if insurance take it to court.

Fact is, the Mustang driver was driving like a complete nob but ultimately he had right of way as it is an unmarked crossroads, hence the person turning across the traffic should give way to vehicles going straight across.

The other car was just careless and not using enough caution. Either that or his eyesight not as good as it should be.

But seriously, we all make mistakes but driving at that sort of speed through a set of traffic lights is not acceptable....even though I agree with Centurion in than it 'may' go against the other driver.

The most annoying thing here though is yet another crash involving a Mustang that is just going to put OUR premiums up.

I would love to see that stats on accidents per 100 vehicles for all types of car. I reckon the S550 would be right up there! Jeez, just look at the ones we know about!

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[Enoch]

My opinion, both equally at fault.
Mustang going too fast? Based on what? The video? Looks like he is going too fast in the video. Has the camera been calibrated and does it measure speed? No. There is no evidence of speed whatsoever. Cannot take "looks like" into consideration. Speculation. (He probably was but there is no concrete proof). Try to imagine the accident without a video and both will be equally at fault for not taking due care.

Impossible to say if he was speeding or not, as we have absolutely no evidence of his speed.:shrug:

But I think it's fair to say he was going a bit to quick for the situation he was approaching. With the lights out a competent experienced driver would have approached with caution, not just barrelled through as though there was nothing going on.

Neither driver drove with due care and attention.

 

[hinch]

you could calculate it as a best guess you have video so you know the exact time taken from entering the shot to impact you could guestimate the distance at about 10-15 meters to give you an upper and lower bounds then *maths* work out that even at point of impact he was still doing 40+ and clearly hard on the brakes at that point too as car was auto flashing hazards.

 

[Lone Survivor]

The shitbox turning right, through hatched lines, as far as I can see there's no definitive stop line at the lights.

The right turn by SB clearly crosses the hatched give way lines onto oncoming traffic, 100% to blame. The speed is irrelevant as no one can prove what speed he was doing, only guess, which would not stand as admissible evidence in a court.

Agree that the Mustang driver is a bellend, but the SB driver was equally a bellend.

'I thought you were going a bit fast', says the SB driver, 'so you thought I was going a bit fast and then decided to pull out in front of me?', says the Mustang driver, 'so you tried to deliberately kill me?' he adds.

 

[SurfOrFight]

The only one driving with due care and attention is the rider of the bike. Tin box driver at fault. Mustang driver at fault (will have difficulty establishing no fault with this video; due care and attention not apparent). :doh:

 

[Kristian87]

interesting this one. In my opinion, with the lights out - the Mustang does have right of way, so I voted 75% to the SB. BUT the guy in the Stang was booting it which didn't really give him the time to react which he would have had if he had slowed down.

Still though...a moment of silence for another fallen Mustang :(

 

[goldengooner]

I completely disagree..... 70/30 fault of Mustang driver IMO....

The motorcyclist certainly recognised the hazard and approached with caution

yep
Mustang was flying alone, way over the speed limit
Also how can the Stang driver not see that the car was moving into his lane? it was a clear day, at the 30mph speed limit, he could have easy stopped

 

[goldengooner]

My opinion, both equally at fault.
Mustang going too fast? Based on what? The video? Looks like he is going too fast in the video. Has the camera been calibrated and does it measure speed? No. There is no evidence of speed whatsoever. Cannot take "looks like" into consideration. Speculation. (He probably was but there is no concrete proof). Try to imagine the accident without a video and both will be equally at fault for not taking due care.

there is 100% Proof of his speed
as our cars have a Black Box and his speed, his braking, will all be on that box.
And if the Police find out he was speeding they will nick him, and so they should. The biker was stopped at the line, letting the other car turn, the Stang come from way back, flying though the lights, and smashed into him.
I would throw the book at the Stang driver, have changed my mind 100% his fault. The Biker gave the car by stopping the right of way
the car only starts to move, when the bike stops
Just showed this to a Embassy Driver, he would force the Stang driver to drive a 3 wheeler

https://mustangforums.com/forum/2005-2014-mustangs/633045-event-data-recorder-black-box.html

 

[RobMJ]

Mustang was going so fast I think he didn't notice lights were not working, shitbox took a gamble without looking properly at what was coming. 60/40 for me.

 

[Tom C]

I'm a retired claims adjuster from NJ, so I can offer an opinion based on claim settlement here. It varies a bit state to state and in other countries but the basic principles are the same.

What comes into play here is 'proximate cause'...i.e who did the most wrong and who had the greater duty. The driver of the silver car clearly had the greater duty since an imaginary plane of travel was broken by making the turn across oncoming traffic. That puts liability at greater than 50%.

Regardless of the speed of the Mustang, the driver of the other car has the greater duty to make sure that it's clear to proceed before making the turn. Just because the Mustang was exceeding the speed limit isn't reason enough to assess more than 49% to him. Even if the Mustang driver was drunk, the person making the turn still has the greater obligation. Had that car waited, the accident might not have occurred.

Assuming speed isn't a factor, the typical turning collision tends to settle in the range of 75-95% fault of the turning car depending on points of impact and other factors.

However, the rapid acceleration of the Mustang mitigates the liability of the silver car, but not to the point where the Mustang driver becomes greater than 49% at fault.

Remember, proximate cause is the action that immediately precipitates a collision and mitigation is what reduces liability of the at-fault driver. I'd assess this one in the range of 55-60% silver car, 40-45% on the Mustang. I'm being tough on the Mustang because of the video. It's an excellent piece of evidence for both the police and the insurance claims. Also, all drivers have to be fully aware of what's going on up ahead and a driver needs to anticipate that someone at an intersection might try to proceed through it which the Mustang driver clearly didn't do. His speed only compounds the situation.

All that said, the Mustang driver is a jerk-off.

 

[willisit]

Speed limit sign on the road the other car was entering says "30" so this dual carriageway is above that, but since the biker saw the issue and slowed, I have to agree that the Mustang driver was either driving too fast (for the conditions present) or wasn't paying attention. The other driver clearly saw the motor cycle stop and probably expected the same of the Mustang (and it can be hard to judge speed even if the other car is a blue bullet).

What does assumption make? The result of that video. Both are at fault here but I'd err that the Mustang owner is going to get the lion's share.

In other words "Shit happens". Luckily no serious injury, unlike the M2 video doing the rounds...

 

[Centurion07]

I would throw the book at the Stang driver, have changed my mind 100% his fault.

Luckily for the Mustang driver you're not in charge of anything more important than what colour pants to put on in the morning.


Anyway, own up...which one of you is the shitbox driver and which ones were his passengers? :lol:

 

[goldengooner]

Luckily for the Mustang driver you're not in charge of anything more important than what colour pants to put on in the morning.

/QUOTE]

and trust Mr. Know All to make a brainless comment
as that is about his level
I think I shall keep well away from you mate, when we do the RAF show in July, if that how you drive

 

[Manders Mustang]

Luckily for the Mustang driver you're not in charge of anything more important than what colour pants to put on in the morning.

/QUOTE]

and trust Mr. Know All to make a brainless comment
as that is about his level
I think I shall keep well away from you mate, when we do the RAF show in July, if that how you drive

Does that mean you don't pick what colour underwear you wear?

 

[stevec]

there is 100% Proof of his speed
as our cars have a Black Box and his speed, his braking, will all be on that box.
And if the Police find out he was speeding they will nick him, and so they should. The biker was stopped at the line, letting the other car turn, the Stang come from way back, flying though the lights, and smashed into him.
I would throw the book at the Stang driver, have changed my mind 100% his fault. The Biker gave the car by stopping the right of way
the car only starts to move, when the bike stops
Just showed this to a Embassy Driver, he would force the Stang driver to drive a 3 wheeler

https://mustangforums.com/forum/2005-2014-mustangs/633045-event-data-recorder-black-box.html

I think that we mostly agree the Stang driver is a nob but no-one will be interested in looking at any black box, even if it does exist. Not even the insurance companies.

As for it being 100% his fault, he could only hit someone if they pull across in front of him!

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