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[Manders Mustang]

So you're saying it's ok to pull across the path of oncoming traffic, even if you can see there's going to be a collision...?

Nobody has right of way though. So therefore, as long as they approached with caution then yes. As i said, it should be treated as a stop junction and traffic should flow by the car to your right having priority and so on and so forth. Only exiting into the area when it is clear to do so.

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[jord79]

Bit different as it's a hazard he's approaching, joining a main road from a side road, the joiner is at fault as the person on the main road has the right of way. However, when a junction like that is taken on, you're meant to treat it as a stop junction. Or so i was taught, and so is my missus being taught that, got an ear ache off her for rolling up to a stop junction and taking it on a roll (She's doing her test in a august).

It is a bit of a different scenario but I think the point of th NZ public information ad with the slogan "Other people make mistakes" is that the turner (in both scenarios) made a mistake where as travelling at excessive speed is usually down to ignorance.

 

[Manders Mustang]

It is a bit of a different scenario but I think the point of th NZ public information ad with the slogan "Other people make mistakes" is that the turner (in both scenarios) made a mistake where as travelling at excessive speed is usually down to ignorance.

Indeed, i getcha, but equally side road to main road main road has priority, but yes speeding comes into it.

Rewatched the video, there's clearly a stop line infront of the traffic lights... Silver car is technically speaking on the right side of the mustang so always gets priority, mustangs driven with no due car and attention. Horn was honked far too late.... Obviously was riding his turbo out.

Now, i need a few spares for my car, wonder if i can go salvage them... ;)!

 

[simonp83]

Nobody has right of way though. So therefore, as long as they approached with caution then yes. As i said, it should be treated as a stop junction and traffic should flow by the car to your right having priority and so on and so forth. Only exiting into the area when it is clear to do so.

My only presumption is that the Mustang driver approached the junction as an unlighted T junction where he had the right of way rather than a T junction with broken lights.

 

[Centurion07]

Nobody has right of way though. So therefore, as long as they approached with caution then yes. As i said, it should be treated as a stop junction and traffic should flow by the car to your right having priority and so on and so forth. Only exiting into the area when it is clear to do so.

Eh?! Look at the road layout. It's a two-way road with a side road. You can argue the Mustang was going too fast, but ultimately, right-of-way or priority isn't the issue here; the shitbox PULLED ACROSS IN FRONT OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC WHEN IT WASN'T SAFE TO DO SO. There was a good line of sight in the direction the Mustang came from so there's no excuse for the Shitbox pulling across in front of him.

How can the shitbox have had priority when the Mustang was established on his own side of the road and maintaining course?

The Mustang MAY have been travelling a bit quick, but not so quick that they suddenly appeared out of thin air.

They either didn't see him, or misjudged his speed. Either way, the onus is on the car crossing oncoming traffic BECAUSE THEY'RE CROSSING ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

 

[jord79]

Will we ever get to find out the outcome? When it's finally settled in about 18 months time!

 

[Centurion07]

Rewatched the video, there's clearly a stop line infront of the traffic lights... Silver car is technically speaking on the right side of the mustang so always gets priority...

Didn't your C&P from the Highway Code specifically state when the lights are inoperative it should be treated as an UNMARKED junction, thereby rendering the stop line irrelevant...?

 

[Toploader]

So you're saying it's ok to pull across the path of oncoming traffic, even if you can see there's going to be a collision...?

The driver of the other car didn't judge that they're manoeuvre would cause a collision.

The Mustang driver could have avoided the situation developing had he been showing proper caution upon approach.

Imagine being with an advanced or emergency driving instructor and approaching and entering that junction at that speed with the traffic lights out ?

 

[Manders Mustang]

Eh?! Look at the road layout. It's a two-way road with a side road. You can argue the Mustang was going too fast, but ultimately, right-of-way or priority isn't the issue here; the shitbox PULLED ACROSS IN FRONT OF ONCOMING TRAFFIC WHEN IT WASN'T SAFE TO DO SO. There was a good line of sight in the direction the Mustang came from so there's no excuse for the Shitbox pulling across in front of him.

How can the shitbox have had priority when the Mustang was established on his own side of the road and maintaining course?

The Mustang MAY have been travelling a bit quick, but not so quick that they suddenly appeared out of thin air.

They either didn't see him, or misjudged his speed. Either way, the onus is on the car crossing oncoming traffic BECAUSE THEY'RE CROSSING ONCOMING TRAFFIC.

Because there traffic lights that aren't working, its not IM GOING FASTEST I GET PRIORIY. it's Approach with caution. Which the mustang didn't do.

Nobody has fucking priority. Nobody has priority of oncomming trafic because technically it's a stop sign whilst the lights are out. I wouldn't thunder the car through a stop sign run straight through another car and question it...
The fact there's also the solid white line which even dictates its a stop (albeit it's faded but what isnt in england).

There's a few unwirtten rules with those kind of situations
1) whoever is there first gets priority
2) whoever is on the right gets priority
3) when no traffic to your right (Imagine a circular clock) you have priority
4) approach with caution
5) treat as a stop sign unless safe to do otherwise

Literally all of them the Mustang fails at + is evidently speeding.

Judging by the biker cutting the video when his speedo hit 40, and the spacing of the street lights the zone is a 30, 40 if you want to be pedantic but I saw no indication it was a 40 however.
Mustang looks to be far exceeding that.

Mustang appears to be tapping on/off the brakes as it collides however that could be a filming issue.

We can't see a video from behind the Mustang to see where he was when the shitbox began it's move (00;26 on the video when the wheel turns to the drivers right).


Now this all beind said, the Shitbox is in the right hand filter area, however it DOESN'T have it's indicator on, which is where that is at fault.

That being said, both should have stopped before making their move, with the shitbox having priority due to the traffic lights being out, unfortunatley we can't take this as a "look at xyz" it'll be treated as an unmarked junction when the insurance take a look at it, they'll write the Mustang and the shitbox off and the Mustang owners going to get the full brunt off it.






Oh... and that's the second blue ecoboost i've seen crash, first was the kent(?) DIB that got tboned by a lorry, now a LB doing the tboning.



Edit:
[MENTION=14447]Centurion07[/MENTION] :

"At an unmarked crossroads no one has priority. If there are no road signs or markings do not assume that you have priority. Remember that other drivers may assume they have the right to go. No type of vehicle has priority but it’s courteous to give way to large vehicles. Also look out in particular for cyclists and motorcyclists."



If nobody has priority, everyone should treat is as a stop sign, everyone move with serious caution, drive like grandads and nobodies writing a car off if they tap anyone as you're gonna only ever hit someone at 10mph if you do it that way.




I still live by the rule that i treat every other driver as if they were fucking stupid.

 

[Centurion07]

The driver of the other car didn't judge that they're manoeuvre would cause a collision.

The Mustang driver could have avoided the situation developing had he been showing proper caution upon approach.

Imagine being with an advanced or emergency driving instructor and approaching and entering that junction at that speed with the traffic lights out ?

The driver of the shitbox clearly didn't judge anything!

The situation is no different to passing a car waiting at a side road ready to join the raod you're already established on.

Would going a bit slower POSSIBLY have prevented the collision? Yes.

Would there have been a collision at all if the driver of the shitbox had done proper observations when checking if it was safe to proceed? Absolutely.

Personal anecdote incoming...

I was sat in a queue of traffic with a car waiting to pull into the queue from his driveway on the right.

A car a couple ahead of me, leaves him a space to let him join.

Matey pulls out of his drive but can't quite join the queue as it hasn't moved enough to clear the space being left for him.

He sits there, on a perfectly straight bit of road for around 5 seconds when he gets hit by some bint coming the other way (40 limit). No reason for her not to have seen him but she just didn't.

I gave them both my details and ended up getting a call from the guy's insurance co.

I explained exactly what happened and was told that they wouldn't be contesting it as their client had pulled onto the road, across traffic, when it wasn't clear. Even though he'd been sat there for what felt like an eternity before he got hit.

 

[Centurion07]

If nobody has priority, everyone should treat is as a stop sign.

They should. Or should they? Your post from the HC says when the lights aren't working treat it as an unmarked junction meaning that stop line, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist...

That doesn't absolve the driver of the shitbox from pulling out in front of a speeding car. They either didn't see him or misjudged his speed. Either way, that's on them.

But explain to me how, with the lights not working, that layout does not just revert back to it's basic physical layout i.e. a two-way road with a side road to the left leaving the Mustang with priority?

I still live by the rule that i treat every other driver as if they were fucking stupid.

That is very good advice as it's generally true.

 

[Enoch]

My view is that if the Mustang driver had spotted that the lights were out, and proceeded with caution there wouldn't have been an accident. Therefore he is more at fault than the other driver

He is negligent for 2 reasons.

1. He didn't spot that the lights were broken, or he did spot but didn't register
2. He didn't slow down.

 

[NornIron91]

Driver must be hurting... in more ways than one... as being a LB it can't be more than 5/6 months old!

Mustang's are gonna start getting a reputation like the old XR3/XR3i's had at this rate!

It's a 17 plate so only 1/2 months old :(

 

[GR11M]

Everyone seems to have forgotten, Mustangs have right of way

 

[Sudaf]

My opinion, both equally at fault.
Mustang going too fast? Based on what? The video? Looks like he is going too fast in the video. Has the camera been calibrated and does it measure speed? No. There is no evidence of speed whatsoever. Cannot take "looks like" into consideration. Speculation. (He probably was but there is no concrete proof). Try to imagine the accident without a video and both will be equally at fault for not taking due care.

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