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[Zerocool]

I haven't had any major issues in my Eco on the pzeros. I've driven in the snow, frost, rain and dry so far and although they are pathetic on any hills in the snow (which I expected anyway) I haven't had any other issues.

Warmed up I've had them (on a private track) at 155mph. I've had a few traffic light Grand Prix and spun a bit but kept going straight. I've had a few slides on roundabouts when going 1/2 or 2/3 but it's controllable.

I understand that the pzeros aren't perfect but they aren't useless either.


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[Manders Mustang]

I haven't had any major issues in my Eco on the pzeros. I've driven in the snow, frost, rain and dry so far and although they are pathetic on any hills in the snow (which I expected anyway) I haven't had any other issues.

Warmed up I've had them (on a private track) at 155mph. I've had a few traffic light Grand Prix and spun a bit but kept going straight. I've had a few slides on roundabouts when going 1/2 or 2/3 but it's controllable.

I understand that the pzeros aren't perfect but they aren't useless either.


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Interested to hear your driving experiences with the eb especially with mine coming within the next month or so .

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[Zerocool]

Interested to hear your driving experiences with the eb especially with mine coming within the next month or so .

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Funny you haven't mentioned it before.....

Anything particularly you wanna know just ask [emoji6]


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[Manders Mustang]

Funny you haven't mentioned it before.....

Anything particularly you wanna know just ask [emoji6]


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I have to the likes of big g just never knew you had an ecoboost! Will pm you

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[HoosierDaddy]

Yes, one of our members questioned ford about summer tires for an all seasons country and got nowhere with it. They won't put on better tires, prolly have a big contract with pirelli and someone's getting a nice bonus.

Probably more pigheadedness than greed since the summer only cost MORE than the all season P-Zeros. So Ford would make money if they offered all seasons at the same price. Or do like with other options that cost them nothing (different gear ratios, wheel paint color) and charge more.

In the US, the summer onlys are part of an extra cost package, so nobody has to get them on their car. But its normal for owners in cold areas that buy that option to put different tires on when its colder.

Not good if Ford is forcing ALL UK buyers who use the car for daily transportation to do the same. I suspect in the US, Ford could not get away with offering summer only tires only. If they tried, as soon as a few people got into accidents they would likely be forced to offer all season tires.

I couldn't find any tire info in the UK brochure or configure tool.

I'm curious if Ford warns UK buyers they shouldn't drive their new cars when the temps are below the recommended temperature for those tires. Or do dealers regularly push installing all seasons before the owner takes delivery?

 

[Actual]

I couldn't find any tire info in the UK brochure or configure tool.

Cautions regarding summer tyres applies to temperature factors ONLY.

Owner's Manual FORD MUSTANG
(P178)
USING SUMMER TIRES

Summer tires provide superior
performance on wet and dry roads.
Summer tires do not have the Mud and
Snow (M+S or M/S) tire traction rating on
the tire side wall. Since summer tires do
not have the same traction performance
as All-season or Snow tires, we do not
recommend using summer tires when
temperatures drop to about 7°C (45°F) or
below (depending on tire wear and
environmental conditions) or in snow and
ice conditions. Like any tire, summer tire
performance is affected by tire wear and
environmental conditions. If you must drive
in those conditions, we recommend using
Mud and Snow (M+S, M/S), All-season or
Snow tires.

Always store your summer tires indoors at
temperatures above -7°C (19°F). The
rubber compounds used in these tires lose
flexibility and may develop surface cracks
in the tread area at temperatures below
-7°C (19°F). If the tires have been
subjected to -7°C (19°F) or less, warm
them in a heated space to at least 5°C
(41°F) for at least 24 hours before
installing them on a vehicle, or moving the
vehicle with the tires installed, or checking
tire inflation.

 

[Jimboy2]

So really no one should have driven their mustang yet as it's barely gotten over 7c

 

[Manders Mustang]

So really no one should have driven their mustang yet as it's barely gotten over 7c

Ford shouldn't allow us to even drive the cars really...

Any legal experts want to take up a class action law suit for selling us cars with the improper tyres [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

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[Eclipsar]

Why the fu-k would you supply a car in the winter to new owners with tyres that are not supposed to be used below 7 degrees, do they know what temperature UK gets in the winter

 

[Mustang Cally]

If the tires have been
subjected to -7°C (19°F) or less, warm
them in a heated space to at least 5°C
(41°F) for at least 24 hours before
installing them on a vehicle, or moving the
vehicle with the tires installed.

That's a bit of a worry.
-7c isn't by any means uncommon overnight in the UK.
The way I read that says that if the temp falls that low the car can't be driven until the tyres have been warmed for 24 hours ?
Seems a bit impractical doesn't it ?

 

[kz]

I think you guys are getting a little too agitated over the tires being at fault. Somebody may draw wrong conclusions and think this is actually the case. While I feel sorry for the owner, driving on highway at 72mph, they _had_ to be warmed up. Yes, they're not the greatest but at 7C they would be OK. And in the rain, unless it get cold, summer tire is far better than any all season.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Why the fu-k would you supply a car in the winter to new owners with tyres that are not supposed to be used below 7 degrees, do they know what temperature UK gets in the winter

I live in Arizona and it gets below 7C here in the winter.

I don't see any problem with Ford putting those tires on a car sold anywhere. But I think its ridiculous to NOT have an option for tires that can be driven in the cold. And in these days it seems the govt would intervene if the seller didn't get a signed waiver from the buyer before selling them a car with tires they shouldn't drive it home with!

That said, once the owner knows these limitations and drives the car anyway instead of changing to tires for the conditions, they would seem to assume considerable responsibility for tire related accidents.

So while waiting for the courts to act, change those tires or rig the throttle to a maximum 5% travel.

Are there enough of them on the road yet to make a big scene for the press if you all jammed a dealer parking lot demanding them to replace the tires?

 

[GR11M]

I lost the back of mine on Friday morning at 20mph on a roundabout with very little throttle. Luckily I avoided an accident, but it has left me driving it in granny mode through fear :(

 

[stevec]

Just thought I would add an interesting but frustratingly inconclusive email chat I had with Pirelli

me
Hi There
I have a new Ford |Mustang being delivered this year. I have seen a fair bit of talk about the tyres that are being fitted (I am lead to believe they are P Zeros) and not being suitable for temperatures under 7 degrees.
I wonder if you could let me know if this is the case and that I should not use the car when the temp is under 7 degrees

Pirrelli
Pirelli believes that there are good reasons for fitting the right tyres for the right season. As such, Pirelli recommend fitting summer tyres in the summer season and winter tyres in the winter season. When the temperature drops below 7 degrees winter tyres will work optimally compared to summer tyres and vice-versa when the temperature rises above 7 degrees. Braking, handling and comfort can all be affected.

It should be noted that the performance in snow of winter tyres remains effective down to a tread depth of 4mm. Below this level they are no longer adequate for winter use but can be used as summer tyres down to the main tread minimum legal limit, set at 1.6mm.

If going outside the UK please check local legislation.

Me
Are you saying that the car should NOT be used under 7 degrees? Or just that they should not be used in snow?

Pirelli
There is no law against using summer tyres under 7 degrees. However it is recommended to use winter tyres below this temperature, for optimum performance, in both snow and dry conditions.

me
Sorry to be a pain but I am spending a lot of money on a car and it seems that picking it up in December, the first thing I will have to do before I drive away from the showroom even, is buy a new set of tyres.

I am probably reading too much in to this but are you saying if it is say 2 degrees when I pick up the car, I need tyres. Or, are you saying the tyres on the vehicle are completely safe but I wont have optimum performance?

I am asking this on behalf of several other Mustang buyers and want to feedback the right information.

Pirelli
In this country there are no safety legal requirements to use winter tyres, it is only a recommendation for optimum performance.

 

[stiggy]

Why is that frustrating/inconclusive?

Basically, in warmer weather - use summer tyres. In cold weather - use winter or all season.

Ford aren't going to change the production line to fit summer/winter tyres according to the time of year, so they opt for a summer rated tyre in line with the cars performance potential.

This makes the car a bit compromised grip-wise in the winter months, but you can't make Ford accountable for the weather or the time of year you take delivery!

Any high power RWD car with summer tyres will yield the same result.

For those who are worried, drive in snow/wet mode ands go easy with the throttle.

Or, fit winter tyres until the weather is warmer. Simples.

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