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Yeah, I was suspecting that oil pressure had a role in that. I'll switch from 5/20 to M1 0/30, which is only slightly more viscous than a good 5/20 when hot, so guess I'll find out soon enough. Just installed the GT350 gauge pod yesterday, and it got right to 200. Wish it also had digital numbers, for better accuracy, but it's definitely better than nothing. Thank you for your comment :).
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Would be interested to see if the change in oils and or viscosity has an effect on the overall temps shown.
I agree an accurate digital would be nice. I have a digital oil temp and pressure as well as water temp in my P car and it is really easy to access what is going on. I can usually estimate to around 5 degrees what mine will be given the outside temp and type of driving done. Do not not know if the Mustang with increased cooling will register any difference in oil temp. Given how it accesses the oil temp from what has been written here it may not change.
When I go to sport or sport + my oil and water temps drop as much as 10 degrees because that opens up one or two additional radiators. Again, not sure if the Mustang will register any difference with increased cooling added. If it were taken at the pan or filter it would.
 

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Would be interested to see if the change in oils and or viscosity has an effect on the overall temps shown.
I went from Motorcraft 5W-20 semi-synthetic to 5W-30 Valvoline Advanced full synthetic and have not seen any noticeable difference in the oil temp in normal street driving. Maybe on a race track it would show a difference - or maybe not based on that it's an inferred oil temperature. The Coyote has a coolant to oil cooler at the oil filter mount, so that really helps keep oil temperature constant while just normally driving around on the street.
 

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Again, not sure if the Mustang will register any difference with increased cooling added.
I can answer this. The answer is, no. I added the Mishimoto oil cooler to my Ecoboost. Absolutely no impact on the oil temp at HPDE events. Now, I'm certain that the actual oil temp has to be at least a little cooler. But the ECU has no way of accounting for the increased thermal capacity, so it just keeps calculating oil temp the same as it always has.
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That really bites! Wish there were some other options besides a tune and take a chance on warranty issues.
You could install a Misho oil plate adapter with oil temp plug like Jim but you would still possibly have "limp" mode issues because as you said the car does not know it is running cooler. i would assume the GT350 and 500 take temp the same way given the GT350 in dash oil temp gauge is a plug and play with the GT. Given that, I see very few options. You can have accurate temps but the car will not know it.
 

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That really bites! Wish there were some other options besides a tune and take a chance on warranty issues.
You could install a Misho oil plate adapter with oil temp plug like Jim but you would still possibly have "limp" mode issues because as you said the car does not know it is running cooler. i would assume the GT350 and 500 take temp the same way given the GT350 in dash oil temp gauge is a plug and play with the GT. Given that, I see very few options. You can have accurate temps but the car will not know it.
The Mishimoto kit comes with the Mishimoto sandwich plate, with the NPT fitting for the sensor. But as you note, installing a sensor and a real temp gauge will not impact how the ECU reacts. In reality, it will probably only frustrate me more if it confirms my suspicion that the actual oil temp is 30-40 deg cooler than what the ECU thinks. I have read that the GT350 uses an inferred temp as well, but it also has an oil cooler from the factory. So it's calculations are based on the thermal capacity of that system. But if you modified it, it also would not know it. It seems really dumb for Ford to skimp on installing a oil temp sensor in all these cars.
 

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When I go to sport or sport + my oil and water temps drop as much as 10 degrees because that opens up one or two additional radiators.
As an FYI, it's not that. All 3 radiators are always 'open' (your GTS has an additional radiator in the middle, as you probably know by now). What happens is Porsche uses an electronically controlled thermostat, not a mechanical unit, like most other cars on the road. In my Cayman GTS, it was more like 30-deg difference (from 220s to 190s); it was ridiculous. That's why I always drove in sport mode. And also due to the perfect throttle mapping for me. But the thermostat defaults to the restrictive mode, meaning if it fails, you'd see the 220+ coolant temperature even in sport/sport+ modes. I didn't like that about the Porsche, to be honest. And that system is prone to failure as miles accumulate.

The Coyote has a coolant to oil cooler at the oil filter mount
Thank you for that info. I knew the Bullitts had 'extra cooling', but wasn't sure what exactly that meant. Glad to hear it's 'coolant-to-oil' (rather than air-to-oil), and was suspecting that, since with the new oil temperature gauge, it seemed to get up to operating temperature rather quickly, and that explains it.
 

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Elp,
Thanks for the info. You know your P cars. I knew the GTS had a additional radiator but did not know what kind of thermostat it used or if the additional radiator worked or part full time. You are correct in that the temps can vary 30 degrees in some instances. Sport mode as you said is most desirable unless you are just loafing along on the interstate. The sport exhaust also sounds better in Sport as well. Also correct in that the RPM always seems to be in the perfect spot in Sport mode. Would love to see a dual clutch available in the GT.
You are also correct in that some P cars being highly engineered have some of those systems fail as miles pile up as you stated. Most cars are more prone to some failures as the miles accumulate. Mine only has 5,000 miles and 3+ years of warranty left so not really concerned at this point. However one of the reasons I am here is to decide if I want to keep the GTS long term or move to the Mustang as the warranty starts to come to a close. I am acutely aware how expensive the P's are to get work done on them. Mustangs have their issues such as A/C parts but they cost nowhere near what a Porsche does to have factory parts installed. Most P oil changes are around $400. However, when they do a service they do not skimp and go the extra mile but you pay dearly for that service.
 

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GT Pony, Do all Coyotes have the coolant to the oil cooler or just the PP1 & PP2's ?
Since my 2015 non-PP has the oil cooler, I'd say they all have it. The PP cars get a bigger radiator, which probablt also help cool the oil better in track use.
 

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GT- Given that PP cars have better cooling do you think they are "mapped" different so the ECU reads it differently and thus will record lower temps on the oil temp gauge?
 

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GT- Given that PP cars have better cooling do you think they are "mapped" different so the ECU reads it differently and thus will record lower temps on the oil temp gauge?
Doubt it's mapped differently but still probably reads lower due to the fact that water temperature is an input to the calculation and it would be lower after the thermostat is full open.
 

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Randy, Thanks-Just trying to get a handle on how the whole thing works.
Would be good to get a Ford engineer to break it down.
 

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The oil temperature should be the same on all Mustangs under normal conditions, because all apparently use the same thermostat (probably a 195-deg unit), and all also have a coolant-to-oil cooler/heater, which maintains a pretty constant oil temperature too. My new oil temperature gauge parked itself at 200-deg driving normally, so that seems to be the norm. The difference with a larger radiator comes when car is driven hard, where a PP1 car will see a lower temperature rise than a base car. And the hotter outside, the higher the oil temperature will go. Even PP1 cars are not equipped to handle hot track days. You need more (or larger) coolers for that, like the Shelbys have.
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