Official: 2018 Ford Mustang Refresh Detailed! (Options/Features, Specs, Photos, Info)

[Bullitt]

The Coyote 2011/12 had 412hp and in 2013/14 was bumped to 420, a 2% increase.

The 15/16/17 Coyote was bumped to 435hp over the 13/14 for a 3.6% increase.

If the 2018 gets 485hp as some have speculated that'd be an 11.5% bump. That doesn't seem reasonable.

And all Coyotes from 2011-2017 have been the same displacement and port injected. Slightly larger displacement and direct injection alone are going to give this motor a bigger HP increase than we've seen with other Coyote revisions. If the motor went from 412hp to 435hp just with slightly better internals and nothing else, with much bigger changes come bigger improvements.

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[MrWolf]

And all Coyotes from 2011-2017 have been the same displacement and port injected. Slightly larger displacement and direct injection alone are going to give this motor a bigger HP increase than we've seen with other Coyote revisions. If the motor went from 412hp to 435hp just with slightly better internals and nothing else, with much bigger changes come bigger improvements.

Also, isn't this new Coyote meant to have a higher red line?

This will potentially help allow a higher HP, not too dissimilar to what putting a stage 3 power pack does to the current Coyote.:cheers:

 

[Chad11491]

if you look at hyundai's move to DI for the genesis coupes and their other cars, there was roughly a 15% hp and tq increase with about 2-3 mpg gains.

That would put a DI/PI coyote at a potential 500hp/460tq.

Do I think that will happen? no, but i think Ford could do it. I think they will fully have the potential to do that, but will hold back the max potential for future hp bumps. That would make sense to me. bump it enough to beat the challenger srt and camaro ss in performance, and leave some headroom to respond to their inevitable bumps.

 

[airfuel]

I'm sure ford is leaving a little something on the table so they can sell power packs down the road. Want power? Pay up!

 

[millhouse]

And all Coyotes from 2011-2017 have been the same displacement and port injected. Slightly larger displacement and direct injection alone are going to give this motor a bigger HP increase than we've seen with other Coyote revisions. If the motor went from 412hp to 435hp just with slightly better internals and nothing else, with much bigger changes come bigger improvements.

if you look at hyundai's move to DI for the genesis coupes and their other cars, there was roughly a 15% hp and tq increase with about 2-3 mpg gains.

That would put a DI/PI coyote at a potential 500hp/460tq.

Do I think that will happen? no, but i think Ford could do it. I think they will fully have the potential to do that, but will hold back the max potential for future hp bumps. That would make sense to me. bump it enough to beat the challenger srt and camaro ss in performance, and leave some headroom to respond to their inevitable bumps.

And Chevy's Jump to Direct injection yielded only a 6.4% HP increase (426HP in 2015 to 455HP in 2016). That was with an entirely new engine design.

You can’t extrapolate data from other manufactures to make any assumptions on HP. For all we know, Ford could have placed a priority on MPG and TQ increases and to a lesser extent, HP. It’s fun to guess, no doubt.

I’ve said it before too, Ford doesn’t need to beat the SS in performance, they only need to beat it in sales. Ford has shown time and again that all out 0-60 and ¼ mile times are not the end all, they are out to make money first and foremost and rely heavily on the aftermarket to allow customers to play catch-up.

 

[MadCow]

What Ford can do and what they will do are two different things. Ford could make over 500hp with the 5.0 coyote but it's unlikely. Also, it's seems the GT350 isn't getting a power bump so the GT probably won't encroach too far into it's territory. Even though the GT350 is more than just a HP figure, to the casual buyer the cars may look too close.

 

[Ericc B]

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[derklink]

Looks great! Where did this come from?

 

[Ericc B]

Looks great! Where did this come from?

Made it myself from one of the press pix. Here's the file:

 

[PJR202]

Seeing as we only have 2 years of the S550 left, I would say that playing all of their cards during this revision won't mean much in the long term. It's almost over.

As far as I know there's been no confirmation of what engine the 650 will have, but I don't disagree with your logic. As I said..do we even know if 485 is possible in the coyote? Don't forget, room has to be left for the aftermarket..even Ford's own aftermarket. But if they push the power high on the coyote in 2018 to 485, then the camaro refresh comes along.when? 2019? And they push that LS engine to ..495? 500? Then Ford's next engine has to come at or close to that. Then you're much closer to the VooDoo, which makes it less special unless you amp that one up, or design another engine or config for the 350's/500's, and on and on and on. There's major cost in R&D, etc. And with ford already outselling the competition bigtime (fleet might help but there's a reason fleet buyers want mustangs..their customers want mustangs) why step it WAY up? Even if they could get 100 more out of the Coyote, then the next engine has to start out higher plus have more room for the hp bump in the refresh. Strategy is key.

 

[Tom C]

Who really knows what Ford's strategy is? If and when the Mach 1 and Bullitt materialize, perhaps they're saving a little extra for those. Whatever the new power rating, it's safe to say it'll be more than the '17. And 'whatever' is fine by me.

Just an observation though....everyone has their undies in a bundle about how powerful the Coyote will be, while at the same time there are two ongoing threads about the high cost of insurance, and red Mustangs being targeted more for tickets. Seems kinda ironic in a way.

 

[traxiii]

The current GT350 will inevitably fall behind future Mustang GTs in the years to come. Just like the BOSS 302 and every other Mustang model has had their performance surpassed. It doesn't make them any less valuable, to collectors, anymore than a '67 GT350 would because it would be blown away by any current versions of Mustang.

If someone bought a GT350 in the last few years thinking it would continue to be the ultimate Mustang in perpetuity, they are/were crazy. Saying that, a Coyote putting out more power than a current Voodoo, is not beyond belief, I would think very probable. It would not surprise me if the Voodoo doesn't get a power bump in the near future either.

Everything is built to be surpassed at some point, and we are all the faster for it!

 

[GTRacerX.]

All Speculation at this point.

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As far as I know there's been no confirmation of what engine the 650 will have, but I don't disagree with your logic. As I said..do we even know if 485 is possible in the coyote? Don't forget, room has to be left for the aftermarket..even Ford's own aftermarket. But if they push the power high on the coyote in 2018 to 485, then the camaro refresh comes along.when? 2019? And they push that LS engine to ..495? 500? Then Ford's next engine has to come at or close to that. Then you're much closer to the VooDoo, which makes it less special unless you amp that one up, or design another engine or config for the 350's/500's, and on and on and on. There's major cost in R&D, etc. And with ford already outselling the competition bigtime (fleet might help but there's a reason fleet buyers want mustangs..their customers want mustangs) why step it WAY up? Even if they could get 100 more out of the Coyote, then the next engine has to start out higher plus have more room for the hp bump in the refresh. Strategy is key.

Thats all this post is about. Heck just wait until June, July or August when they finally release the HP / TQ numbers and then there will be another post on how too little too late or wow look how much but how much more can we get with mods .... Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Bottom line if your a fan of the refresh go buy one, if you were on the fence but did not want to wait like me - go buy a discounted 2017. Either way we all end up in the same club - Mustang owners.
:cheers:

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FYI: I hope Ford knocks it out of the park and I am sure the aftermarket will take care of the terrible front fascia. :clap2:

 

[15Pony]

I completely agree, but the thing is, a mustang gt is a 20k dollar car with a v8 and some upgrades shoved in there.

Its assembled like a $20,000 car. LOL. But seriously... the engine tech doesn't make it worth $45,000. BLIS/lane change assist/cross traffic sensors....I have those in my $26,000 Hyundai.

 

[millhouse]

Either way we all end up in the same club - Mustang owners.

Unfortunately, as soon as they started migrating out to new forums with every new release, there has been a distinct segregation. For anyone that was on Corral or Stangnet, you could see a real sense of brotherhood between classics, foxbodies, sn95 and new edge owners. I quite frankly wish they would merge all of the forums together.

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