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I'm going to say that if your car stays outside and the cold soaks through the car, you're going to always have that issue when you first start off with the MT82. People with garages that don't quite get as cold might not notice this.

I had two MT82s in my '11. Both had this behavior. When I bought my house and kept it in the garage at night, the mornings were at least 50% improvement in initial shift feel during the first few miles.
Yep, makes sense, as this characteristic also applied to other Mustangs I've had in the past. With the viscosity of the fluid that is in the current transmission, I certainly understand how the cold would impact it. Thanks for sharing your past MT-82 experience.
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I'm going to say that if your car stays outside and the cold soaks through the car, you're going to always have that issue when you first start off with the MT82. People with garages that don't quite get as cold might not notice this.

I had two MT82s in my '11. Both had this behavior. When I bought my house and kept it in the garage at night, the mornings were at least 50% improvement in initial shift feel during the first few miles.
Good to know. Since I'm in florida, and have a garage, this shouldn't be much of a problem.
 

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I'm having the same issues you are experiencing. I have had my car for 2 weeks and has 180 miles on it. I have not speed shifted it yet and I don't see how that would help either. I guess I should take mine in at some point but I will probably wait and see how/if others are getting this problem resolved.
Mine is doing this as well. The car I test drove did not do it.
 

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Granted mine only has 80 miles on it... I'm not getting any noise or vibration but if harness means not real smooth in second I have that. Maybe I still need to get used to it. First gear taking off I have found the contact point sweet spot to make it take off smooth, but in second... if I gradually let the clutch out it seems to want to buck and act stupid. If I just let it out quick it seems ok. Am I doing something wrong here? I have driven standards all of my life and can't quite figure this one out. Maybe it will get better... Thoughts?
I am getting the same issue. Granted my car also only has about 100 miles on it. Also I haven't experienced silky smooth shifts, but once again, it'll might take some getting used to and finding the correct shift points. My bucking seems to happen more when I am going over speed bumps or something like that and re-engage the clutch in first. Quite embarrasing when riding someone in the car, showing it off; but once again, every car has its quirks and it takes time to figure it out. Also my gears do grind sometimes when downshifting from higher gears to lower gears, like 5th to 3rd, or even going to 5th gear or 6th, but once again I might need to rev match. I'll figure it out. If that bucking doesn't go away by the end of the break in period, I'll probably check back on here to see what other drivers did or found out about it. Also my car is not a DD, so it might not be a huge deal , but one I will keep an eye on.
 

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I'm saving for a 2015 or a 2016 and after seeing all these problems with the Chinese MT82 I'm getting worried that after all the saving and waiting I'll just end up with problems. Makes me wonder if I should keep my 05. Why can't Ford just put a Tremec Magnum XL in it and call it a day. I wouldn't even care if it cost more.
 

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I'm saving for a 2015 or a 2016 and after seeing all these problems with the Chinese MT82 I'm getting worried that after all the saving and waiting I'll just end up with problems. Makes me wonder if I should keep my 05. Why can't Ford just put a Tremec Magnum XL in it and call it a day. I wouldn't even care if it cost more.
There were plenty of problems with the Tremec T3650 that is in your '05 when these first came available in later SN-95s (2000-2003). I actually had the Mexican-made T3650 in my '03 Mach entirely replaced within the first 2 years of ownership of that car. It took about 2 years before the manufacturing improved (2004 calendar year) such that fewer people were reporting grinding gears.

A Tremec Magnum XL would affect the curb weight of this car, as well exhibit NVH that would probably be deemed unacceptable by some.

There have been refinements to the internals and a running change to the fluid specification. The OP said he experienced grinding when it was cold. Yes, when it is cold, the fluid viscosity is higher, and it takes a moment for things to get warmed up. My experience has been that when first starting, gentle shifts between 1st and 2nd don't result in grinding. After about 1 minute, the next shifts are fine with my normal effort. I don't bang the gears on the stock shifter, however.

The future MGW shifter is an aftermarket option and looks to noticeably improve on shift quality. The transmission itself gets a bad rap because of the country of manufacture. And yes, I understand there is history out there to suggest the metallurgy can be problematic. However, that could be anywhere.
 

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I've just seen a lot of posts about problems with the MT82 and it makes me a little nervous. Nobody wants to spend 40K and step into immediate problems. Not to mention I'm going to track the hell out of this car and I want it to hold up.

I've always let my 05 warm up before hard shifts and even when I lived in Ohio during the winter I didn't have any problems. I've got to admit that the MGW I put on it did make a huge difference so we can't blame everything on the transmissions.

As for the Magnum XL, I can't speak to its weight but I drove a 2012 with one and it was a dream. I didn't notice any extra NVH but it didn't have stock exhaust so that could have covered it up.
 

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I am getting some pretty noticeable, consistent NVH when shifting into 2nd, 3rd and 4th (especially when it's cold). It feels as if the synchros are grinding as the shifter slides into gear. I would say it happens approximately 50% of the time.

I took it to the dealer and had the shop foreman drive it. His advice was that I need to speed shift even when casually driving to avoid this. Obviously, that's ridiculous advice and it still doesn't remedy the issue.

Any other 6mt guys experiencing this?

I have approximately 700 miles on the car. FWIW It is a premium PP and I have years of experience driving a sports car with a manual transmission without this issue.

Thanks.
Roughly 500 miles on my 2015 GT and I'm experiencing the same issues.
 

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Roughly 500 miles on my 2015 GT and I'm experiencing the same issues.
After reading some of the comments on shifting, I now let the revs drop first before shifting. Also I assume that the cold weather has some effect as well as well as the car not being broken in yet. I figured I can't quick shift this car like I did with my Acura. My 98 BMW 560 sport, kind of did the same thing. It wasn't a quick shift car and the clutch in it was crazy heavy. I do however like the clutch feel wayyyy better in this stang.
 

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I must be the only person without grinding issues, and who is not freaking out about the NVH while shifting (synchros engaging). See the "thud while shifting" thread for my take on that issue. I've had a few times where it felt like the synchros were having trouble engaging as I shift from 1st to 2nd rolling down my neighborhood street, after being cold soaked all night in 17*F outside air. By the time I hit my main road, everything is smooth like butter. And I'm perfectly able to quick-shift this thing. Once the transmission is warmed up I can slam it into gears under hard acceleration just fine, or shift slow and it's still smooth. If it's frickin cold out, the fluid is going to be a little gooey until it's churned up. To me, that's absolutely a non-issue. If it were a 70*F day and I'd been driving for 30 minutes and it happened consistently, every shift, I'd be worried. This time of year, until everything's allowed to get to operating temp and stay there for a few minutes, things are going to sound rough.
 

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For those of you with noisy transmission (note not thud) and are looking at swapping fluids I ran across this article on BITOG.

MTL Trans Fluid GL-4

Moving to a fluid with higher viscosity at 100C will quiet down the trans at the expense of cold weather shift performance. Notice the QDC factory fill fluid is in the lowest category.

Popular alternatives include: BG Synchro Shift II, Amsoil MTF, RP Synchromax, Redline MTL

Once you start researching the MT-82 and fluids you will run across a ton of information.
 

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For those of you with noisy transmission (note not thud) and are looking at swapping fluids I ran across this article on BITOG.

MTL Trans Fluid GL-4

Moving to a fluid with higher viscosity at 100C will quiet down the trans at the expense of cold weather shift performance. Notice the QDC factory fill fluid is in the lowest category.

Popular alternatives include: BG Synchro Shift II, Amsoil MTF, RP Synchromax, Redline MTL

Once you start researching the MT-82 and fluids you will run across a ton of information.
For the MT-82 Getrag gearbox Ford recommends QDC Dual Clutch Tranny Fluid with XL-18 Additive. This is part of a TSB that came out a few years earlier. From what I have heard, everyone who is using the QDC and the XL-18 additive is having better results but you must add the XL-18 to the mix and this is annotated not in the TSB but in the revised Transmission Lubrication charts as NOTE #6:doh:On a similar note, I just received my GT yesterday and I have had zero shift problems or clutch problems to date (other than the afore mentioned "Thump" when first engaging into First Gear). Getting used to the shift gate as well as how much (or little) pressure one has to exert on the gearshift itself seems to be a tactile memory or "Feel" type of muscle coordination exercise. Clutch throw-out is shorter than expected and I can almost heel-toe the clutch while shifting without missing a gear.
 

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Correct. There is no mention of XL-18 in the owners manual either. However it should be in the trans from the factory.

I assume they use the XL-18 to keep the trans quiet since the fluid probably can't do it on it's own.

Note the popular alternative fluids do not require any additives. All additives are already blended in the fluid.
 

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Correct. There is no mention of XL-18 in the owners manual either. However it should be in the trans from the factory.

I assume they use the XL-18 to keep the trans quiet since the fluid probably can't do it on it's own.

Note the popular alternative fluids do not require any additives. All additives are already blended in the fluid.
Correct...I asked my dealer's service manager about the XL-18 and he was totally in the dark about it...showed him the Transmission Lubrication Chart and he was stunned as the TSB said absolutely nothing about the additive. He said he was going to inform his entire staff as well as send a PM to Ford recommending a change to the TSB (told him that has probably been addressed ad nauseum but the more folks get the engineering staff's attention the better for all concerned in the long run). :gossip:
 

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I'll be getting my transmission filled with new fluid and the XL-18 additive once it arrives at my dealer. I talked to the service manager and it has been ordered so hopefully it will be here next week. I've also been hearing some diff noise so I asked them to order the XL-3 friction modifier and refill the fluid in the diff as well with the additive. Fingers crossed here, I will also be installing the Whiteline transmission insert along with all that. I will inform you guys of my progress once everything is done. If someone has already done it or will have it done before me please post about the results! :)
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