Newly Purchased GT/CS - Auto

[CCCP1999]

How many of us have driven 400hp+ vehicles without all the electronic nannies?

Me. Even with them on, nail my modded 2013 C6 Vette and you will be sideways from a roll from 20 to 50mph. My 06 LS2 C6 was also the same way. The C6 is a tail happy car.

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[jasonstang]

Me. Even with them on, nail my modded 2013 C6 Vette and you will be sideways from a roll from 20 to 50mph. My 06 LS2 C6 was also the same way. The C6 is a tail happy car.

I find Mustang nannies are not very effective. I was smoking my rear tires through the intersection. My Toyota would cut power when there is very small amount of wheel spin.

 

[Dominant1]

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[CCCP1999]

I find Mustang nannies are not very effective. I was smoking my rear tires through the intersection. My Toyota would cut power when there is very small amount of wheel spin.

Same for my 2010 5.3 Colorado. It would cut power. My C6 will just get away from you in a sec. Plus the stock runflat tires are as hard as a rock so they have no grip. Going non runflat very soon.

 

[Norm Peterson]

How many of us have driven 400hp+ vehicles without all the electronic nannies?

If you'll consider 375-ish close enough, me (375 being where it ultimately ended up). No nannies whatsoever, don't think it even had a rev limiter. Didn't even have a clutch interlock switch for starting after the one it came with got speared by the clutch linkage itself.

Understand that that particular car had rather poor suspension geometry compromised further by lots of rubber bushings, a relatively soft chassis, narrow-ish 14" or 15" tires, and tiny non-ABS brakes (10.4" front discs, 9.3" rear drums).


Nobody who ever drove it ever felt they were at increased risk, not even after ABS and early stability control systems started showing up. In roughly 175,000 miles, it never got away from anybody who ever drove it, except for exactly one quarter-spin event by me at autocross.


Norm

 

[Coyote Red]

315 hp to 435 hp

It's plenty easy if you're disciplined enough as a driver. And smart enough to realize that you can't always get away driving a 400+ HP performance car in all the same ways you could with most anything having less than half the HP.

If you aren't that disciplined as a driver, a strong case can be made that you aren't ready to be driving anything with that much power. People are only kidding themselves when they believe that having all these nannies relieves them of the responsibilities of tightening up their driving discipline and improving their skill set when stepping into something with higher performance potential.


Norm

I agree, if you have learned to, Launch, Powerslide, Fishtail & Corner entry and exit you may not have problems. I had not owned a car with more than 300 hp before I bought my GT and had to learn the power curve and handling difference in the increase and am still learning! Everyday you must learn about your pony, if not your not a responsible driver.

 

[NoVaGT]

Do you wear seat belt when you drive?
I mean if you are such a good driver that can predict any kind of situation on the road, why wear seat belt. There is no reason to.

That's a ridiculous analogy. And I never said anything about predicting situations.

You do understand that there have been 400+ HP cars for......well....decades, with no TC? No SC. No ABS. No nannies at all.

We have to stop with this PC/lowest common denominator bullshit. Those who seek safety at the cost of freedom deserve neither.

 

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Thanks for all the responses guys! I didn't check the thread over the weekend. So reading through the responses....

1) I will keep the nannies on - i would rather have less performance and more safety/security then max performance and trash my car.
2) I took the car up Angeles Crest yesterday and it did well. i previously owned a 2013 boss 302 and would say the GT/CS did just as well as the boss.
3) this car will never see a racetrack (nor did my boss). I am simply not racecar enough to run these types (or any other types) of cars up to the redline. i wouldn't do that for many reasons by primarily because i dont want to break the car.
4) I plan on getting power pack 2, but am concerned that as a daily driver through LA traffic - if i add PowerPack2 i will end up getting 10 MPG.
5) I know that power pack 2 adds an open air filter (there is some huge thread i saw somewhere about the air filter) - the concern there is that by adding an open airfilter, the engine would be exposed to rain water or something like that and cause engine damage.

 

[MrFarms]

I'm not entirely sure why everyone keeps saying a cat-back exhaust doesn't improve power output - if you do a quick google search you'll see a cat-back system (Corsa, FRPP, Magnflow, etc) improves peak hp around 10 or so rwhp and more throughout the curve. I think the stock exhaust is very restrictive and it shows on the dyno charts. Just my 2 cents

 

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One question i have about the powerpacks which i do not feel has really been asnwered anywhere.... is why powerpack 3 only adds 5 Lb of Torque where as power pack 2 adds 24 LB of torque.

Power pack 2 is about 900.00 power pack 3 is like 2900.00.

Robert

 

[MrFarms]

The powerpack 3 uses the intake from the GT350. Please see below for a very informative article (linking to other articles) regarding the powerpacks:

http://fordauthority.com/2016/08/update-mustang-gt-power-pack-could-add-60-hp-for-2395/

 

[[email protected]]

Thanks, I had seen that article before. Its just to me, if you are paying a premium price for the "highest level" of performance - ford should have figured out a way to at least give the customer higher HP and Torque for PP 3. (As compared to PowerPack 2).

Robert

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm not entirely sure why everyone keeps saying a cat-back exhaust doesn't improve power output - if you do a quick google search you'll see a cat-back system (Corsa, FRPP, Magnflow, etc) improves peak hp around 10 or so rwhp and more throughout the curve. I think the stock exhaust is very restrictive and it shows on the dyno charts. Just my 2 cents

No OE exhaust system these days is "very restrictive", as you put it. The days of 1-7/8" OD single-exhaust V8's and pellet-type catalytic converters are (thankfully) long behind us.

One reliable engineering authority puts a 10 HP increase from 400 as needing a 1.0 psi reduction in back pressure. Possible, I guess . . . but if you couldn't hear the exhaust at all you might not actually feel the difference.

As to the validity of those HP claims . . . not gonna go there. Just do it for the sound if you're going to do it at all.


Norm

 

[MrFarms]

No OE exhaust system these days is "very restrictive", as you put it. The days of 1-7/8" OD single-exhaust V8's and pellet-type catalytic converters are (thankfully) long behind us.

One reliable engineering authority puts a 10 HP increase from 400 as needing a 1.0 psi reduction in back pressure. Possible, I guess . . . but if you couldn't hear the exhaust at all you might not actually feel the difference.

As to the validity of those HP claims . . . not gonna go there. Just do it for the sound if you're going to do it at all.


Norm

Are you suggesting those HP claims are fabricated when manufacturers/enthusiast sites do the before and after dyno numbers (an hour or whatever apart)?

 

[Norm Peterson]

As good a place as any to start at.


Norm

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