New for 2017 GT350

[Donkey]

The iLE will have no effect on '17 GT 350 pricing; they're totally different vehicles aimed at totally different markets that may get cross-shopped because their on-track performance is similar. But that's it. The Camaro has the advantage of low price and the much-loved SB V-8, and the Mustang has the Shelby heritage and the FP V-8.

The demand for the GT 350/R still far exceeds the supply, with Ford selling every one it can produce - to dealers, if not end-use buyers. (Ford doesn't care; it has its money once the dealer takes delivery; a sale is a sale, and they're all sold - in some markets, through the production of the '17s.) If the prices of the '17s don't go up compared to comparably equipped '16s, it will be the first time in recent history that a car manufacturer didn't take advantage of the opportunity to grab a little of all that loose ADM money from the dealers. The MSRP will go up.

And there's nothing wrong with the '16s. So far, Tech Packages have outsold Track Packages by more than a two-to-one margin, and the great majority of the Tech Package buyers are not complaining about not having the tranny and diff coolers or Grabber Blue. They're enjoying their cars now for the needs they had when they bought them, except for the few that are ready to drive off a cliff because their cars didn't have the coolers - which they knew when they bought their cars.

Next year's Anythingmobile will always be improved over last year's, and you can waste your life always looking into the future instead of having some fun now.

I think a lot of the tech outselling is from dealer orders without buyers. Every one here has the the tech aside from one. I think dealers assume over 40k everyone wants leather and nav. I for one have zero desire for either.

Sponsored

 

[Gatorac]

The iLE will have no effect on '17 GT 350 pricing; they're totally different vehicles aimed at totally different markets that may get cross-shopped because their on-track performance is similar. But that's it.

I respectfully disagree. The are aimed at the exact same market. They are both muscle cars with enhancements to help them perform well on the road course. While some may want to pay for the "heritage" of one or the other, many will consider the performance/dollar. I expect most will buy and drive it on Saturday to the local car show and brag about the numbers.:(

If the Camaro wasn't so limited by it's visibility and styling, Ford may have a problem. Shame, it would have been nice to see GM move towards the 70-74 styling with this generation.

Don't hate, I've had 10 Mustangs and only 2 Camaros.

 

[5.2 VooDoo]

From the time I spec'd out my GT350 until the time I pulled the trigger and ordered, the price from the factory increased by $600 for the SAME car...in a mere 90 days...

I can only guess that a year over year increase will be much more...

 

[Spa2k]

I think a lot of the tech outselling is from dealer orders without buyers. Every one here has the the tech aside from one. I think dealers assume over 40k everyone wants leather and nav. I for one have zero desire for either.

I guess it's impossible to know for sure. I do think, however, that a lot of dealers who aren't near tracks are afraid of the "Track" label as being too specialized for their marketplace. Plus, the Techs have the highest sticker prices and potentially the largest margins. Interestingly, the same 2:1 (Tech/Track) ratio is going on for dealers on Cars.com that have identified the cars they have for sale as either Technology or Track Package - but way over half the cars for sale aren't identified as either.

 

[garagelogic]

Perhaps, but even so... and this is proving out... people are cancelling their 16 orders and switching to 17. You think they will be able to keep charging ADM for 16s now that production has clearly ramped up and more desirable options are on the way? Doubt it... and from feedback, ADMs are already dropping. ADM days are numbered.

Either way, we don't have a clue about pricing until Ford releases those numbers. It's all hearsay.

Will ADMs become less common on the 2016s, maybe. But you can guarantee they will still have them on the 2017s as long as there is demand.

 

[Spa2k]

I respectfully disagree. The are aimed at the exact same market. They are both muscle cars with enhancements to help them perform well on the road course. While some may want to pay for the "heritage" of one or the other, many will consider the performance/dollar. I expect most will buy and drive it on Saturday to the local car show and brag about the numbers.:(

If the Camaro wasn't so limited by it's visibility and styling, Ford may have a problem. Shame, it would have been nice to see GM move towards the 70-74 styling with this generation.

Don't hate, I've had 10 Mustangs and only 2 Camaros.

No hate here - I have the brand loyalty of a three-toed sloth and buy whatever interests me at the time. I do think you're right about the "exact same marketplace" if you identify that group of buyers as track rats. And I agree there's a much larger group of buyers for both cars that will buy them for other reasons and never put them on the track - but a $10-$15K price differential could keep a lot of buyers from realistically considering both cars. :shrug:

 

[CANTWN4LSN]

When the first ordering guide came out last year there was a lot of thread discussion on getting coolers/track pack or not/tech pack with most of the opinion that you would never need them if not tracking the car. Now Ford comes along and adds them to every GT 350. Marketing ploy? Or could it be that this car benefits from the added cooling even when not tracked but just with high rev/spirited driving. Safety feature?
Agree with above, would bet most Tech ordered cars were dealer orders or like me weren't planning on tracking much. Now I can get what I wanted all along as a 2017 non-R electronics package as I never cared for heated/cooled seats but wanted SYNC 3, toggle switches, etc., and now the coolers are standard, for whatever reason Ford felt they should be. Don't doubt it will help resale value, but that'll be up to my grandkids.

 

[krt22]

No hate here - I have the brand loyalty of a three-toed sloth and buy whatever interests me at the time. I do think you're right about the "exact same marketplace" if you identify that group of buyers as track rats. And I agree there's a much larger group of buyers for both cars that will buy them for other reasons and never put them on the track - but a $10-$15K price differential could keep a lot of buyers from realistically considering both cars. :shrug:

We'll have to ask some of our P-car/BMW/F-car owners if the 1LE is sparking up interest on those forums or not

 

[Spa2k]

We'll have to ask some of our P-car/BMW/F-car owners if the 1LE is sparking up interest on those forums or not

That's a very interesting question, and I'll bet the answer is "no." There's no magic in the Camaro, but there's lots of magic in the Shelby heritage and the exotic flat-plane V-8. :hail:

 

[krt22]

That's a very interesting question, and I'll bet the answer is "no." There's no magic in the Camaro, but there's lots of magic in the Shelby heritage and the exotic flat-plane V-8. :hail:

I agree, but there are some folks quite set on the 1LE causing the GT350 trouble sales wise. Im just not seeing it. If anything raising the GT350 price further differentiates it, regardless what the keyboard stat racers are anticipating

 

[Spa2k]

I agree, but there are some folks quite set on the 1LE causing the GT350 trouble sales wise. Im just not seeing it. If anything raising the GT350 price further differentiates it, regardless what the keyboard stat racers are anticipating

Yup.

BTW, you forgot to ask Corvette owners, one of whom posted this:
"I think this new 1LE crushes the BMW m2 and M4, the Audi S5, the Mercedes c63 and the new mustang t350."

 

[chrsschb]

As someone who is cross-shopping pcars with the 350, the 1LE doesn't interest me at all.

 

[dbatech99]

Will ADMs become less common on the 2016s, maybe. But you can guarantee they will still have them on the 2017s as long as there is demand.

Doubt it. 2018 my hold other things...like engine output, chassis, suspension, etc. They are going to build plenty of these cars. They didn't spend the coin on this bad ass powerplant to limit production duration. ADM is not going to last. Same dealers can get left holding the bag on 17s too. I'd be willing to bet there will be more changes to 2018s than 2017s. Yup...bye ADMs. Your reign was tiny.

 

[Spacebird]

As someone who is cross-shopping pcars with the 350, the 1LE doesn't interest me at all.

Agreed. I went 996 Turbo > 997 Turbo > 997 GTS > GT350. I haven't looked back after finding an R allocation.

 

[garagelogic]

Doubt it. 2018 my hold other things...like engine output, chassis, suspension, etc. They are going to build plenty of these cars. They didn't spend the coin on this bad ass powerplant to limit production duration. ADM is not going to last. Same dealers can get left holding the bag on 17s too. I'd be willing to bet there will be more changes to 2018s than 2017s. Yup...bye ADMs. Your reign was tiny.

I will repeat, "as long as there is demand". Of course, if the demand to get one of these cars go down, the ADMs will go with it.

Sponsored