MSRP GT350

[DrumReaper]

Hmmmm... I'm somewhat perplexed at your response. It seems you may be trying to pick a fight here. Insults? Where did you see such? I apologize if I offended you by saying "grab a set"... my bad.

Now as for your response... here goes.

I'll ignore your insults for now. What insult(s)?

But this is the part you don't seem to understand, Ford is clearly not releasing the car at MSRP. Hmm... really? That is what they have been touting all along, and I believe that nearly, if not all, posting here will agree that the car is being released at MSRP. Go look at the window sticker thread and see for yourself.

It's also clear that you didn't major in economics. Supply vs Demand in Economics 101. I actually did pretty well in that subject, not to brag, offend or insult you. If the supply outweighs the demand, then there is a good chance you can purchase the product under MSRP... eg, the price of the new F150 has just been lowered by $10,000 to attract new buyers. However, in the case of the 350, especially the 350R, demand is exponentially higher than supply, which = ADM in most cases. Simple...

You seem to advocate this "economics" model that you have in your head because I think you've said that you've already ordered or even purchased a car and the feeling I get from your posts is that you view this as some sort of investment and thus fully advocate the "low volume, high demand" to protect your "investment". EeeeeeI'm not following you here. That didn't make any sense, IMHO. I have a car on order and have not purchased it yet, as no one here has w/o a VIN (or at least legally hasn't). I'm purchasing the car because I want to, I can afford it and because I'm a hardworking American that has the freedom to do so. If I were looking for an investment, I'd go put my $65K in gold.

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[krt22]

Its not like ford benefits from dealers marking it up, they sell to the dealer at a fixed cost and set the MSRP.

I am paying MSRP..as are many others...but there are just some dealers out to maximize profit on those gotta have it now buyers.

Wait a few months and you will be fine. Even if they were 100% fixed price, folks would then be reselling privately at over sticker for those gotta have it now buyers, since ford can only make so many cars are a time. Once the first wave is out of the way, things will go back to normal

 

[Steve68]

Well, I'm already sorry I got in to this because you know what they say about arguing with people on the internet. As Krt22 points out, I'm way ahead of myself in my angst, too. Bottom line for me is this, I'm a Ford Fan. I've had several Mustangs, a '13 Raptor and a '14 F-150 Platinum. I've said already on these forums that I agree that supply and demand is at work here. It always is. None of us really know what the supply will be. But it's not "demand" for me, it's "want" and if the demanders (whether they pay ADM or not) get all the cars then I'll move on to something else. At the very least, there's always that next special Mustang just around the corner. I'll just have to wait for it.

 

[DrumReaper]

That's the ticket bro!

 

[sticker]

It's not Ford's fault that the dealers are extorting the wallets of customers in the name of limited production. i applaud Ford for offering a car such as this and if they wish to honor history in low volumes, just as they did in the 60's, then that's their business.

Now if dealers that charged crazy allocations were penalized by the loss of future allocations because of their greedy behaviors that may address the problem.

Honor Ford for low volumes? Seriously?

Do you honestly believe that Ford is on a mission to sell fewer of these cars than would be possible at these prices.

Low volumes indeed. Mach1s were to be low volume, 3000 units, they made well over 16,000 of them. The GT500 was a "limited" run for 2 years that morphed into 48,000 units! Don't be naïve. Ford can fart out Mustangs faster than the public would ever buy them. This very fact has been demonstrated time and time again.

 

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Still on the hunt. Starting to lose faith, and may have to order a 2017 in order not to pay ADM. :(

 

[DrumReaper]

Still on the hunt. Starting to lose faith, and may have to order a 2017 in order not to pay ADM. :(

If I get wind of a deal, you will be the first to know.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Still on the hunt. Starting to lose faith, and may have to order a 2017 in order not to pay ADM. :(

Patience is a virtue.

When you finally get there it would have been worth the wait. And consider this.


1. It will be less money over the top to add to the depreciation of your purchase.
2. The Money you save can go into mods that the first adopters won't have with the additional ADM they spent to get their's a year before you
3. Any bugs the first adopters encounter will likely be addressed in your model
4. Any improvements such as power and torque bumps will be in your favor. So as a sort of look down your nose at them thing you will wind up with a better end product as a result of....


Waiting.


How's that for positive thinking.

Hang in there buddy.

 

[obgod3]

Had a really interesting conversation today. Basically it sounds like no one has a clear picture of all this, not the dealers I know for sure. I cant possibly figure out what to believe.

So regional ford rep says 6K GT350's for 2016 and pretty much every one of the 3300 dealers signed up for the program. Since the dealer Im talking to is the largest seller of Mustangs in the region they thought they would get a good allocation but right now it looks like one or possibly two and they suspect they will have to call customers to tell them they will wait in line a lot longer than thought.

At the same time I got told only 3K GT350's for 2016. So WTF?

Seems like no one has any clue and my guy actually said he has no idea at this point because it keeps changing. Im certain my guy is trying to be honest with me, Im sure it is tough if the information isnt clear. Of course he would love to sell me a car now instead of 24 months from now right ;).

I dont know if I believe anyone but it is interesting to follow. But one thing for sure I could not find (yet) a single dealer in a 200 mile radius that will not have a 10K or so ADM even for '16.

Unfortunate really. I guess if you collect it doesn't mater but my feeling on this was that for an absolute value at 60K this car is the real deal, but at 70K im not so sure anymore as there are lots of other options. As an FYI Im not trying to force my opinion on anyone, viewed through my eyes only.

Anyway Ill have one of these someday but for now I will most likely get a GTPP, do my work to it via BMR or Steeda and see what happens in '17 or '18. Im totally ok with that since I havent have a sports car of any kind in more than 20 years and im super excited to get back to it, hit some tracks etc.

 

[krt22]

Honor Ford for low volumes? Seriously?

Do you honestly believe that Ford is on a mission to sell fewer of these cars than would be possible at these prices.

Low volumes indeed. Mach1s were to be low volume, 3000 units, they made well over 16,000 of them. The GT500 was a "limited" run for 2 years that morphed into 48,000 units! Don't be naïve. Ford can fart out Mustangs faster than the public would ever buy them. This very fact has been demonstrated time and time again.

While I tend to agree with you, I don't see ford making anymore than 5k a year of these. The one thing none of those previous cars had to deal with is the modern CAFE standards. With 14/21 MPG, these can quickly drag down the fleet average if they make too many.

But once the first 3-5k cars are out the door, I think finding one will be much easier

 

[sticker]

While I tend to agree with you, I don't see ford making anymore than 5k a year of these. The one thing none of those previous cars had to deal with is the modern CAFE standards. With 14/21 MPG, these can quickly drag down the fleet average if they make too many.

But once the first 3-5k cars are out the door, I think finding one will be much easier

They will certainly sell 5,000 units. 7,000 is entirely possible with anything beyond that quite difficult at these prices. Be absolutely 100% certain of the fact that Ford will build as many as they can sell without significant back end incentives. This is a very simple concept that seems to be trumped by hype and nonsense that generally originates from the retailers who have the most to gain by creating the perception of shortage. It is the same with and every SE Mustang that comes to market. Anyone who follows this stuff for the past decade or more knows this.

 

[cjgt350]

Right on cue sticker...right on cue.:frusty:

 

[Blk2015GT]

Right on cue sticker...right on cue.:frusty:

Of course. Captain hindsight to the rescue. We all know what Ford did in the past. Hindsight is 20/20, we get it by now. You cannot be wrong looking back now at what someone didnt know looking forward in 2005, 2010, 2012 etc. with the new platform limited runs cars coming out.

New car, new model, new platform. No one knows how many will or will not be built besides the 5000/500 Rs as Ford officially stated. (except apparently sticker).

 

[ElSanchez302]

Nope I had to sign the long sheet like when you typicaly buy a car with full totals.

As a dealer, I'm telling you it means nothing. If there is no car on lot, you have a simple deposit that either party can walk away from. And I assure, the first sign that someone throws more money at him, he will walk. I've seen this happen before in my career with GT500's, Boss's, Bullits, GT's, etc. Just be forewarned and not surprised if that happens.

 

[krt22]

Hey ElSanchez

I noticed your dealer has a very early build 2016 (#21!) that has actually been built according to the vin and blend date. When are you guys expecting it on the lot?

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