Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 - ON TRACK (ANSWERED)

[K4fxd]

I drive on them all year long, in colder conditions than yours.

I'm in now way, shape or form a "reckless driver".

If you are driving on summer tires in cold temps you are. (temps below what the manufacturer says is OK.)

I give good advice.

Not if you are telling the OP or anyone to run summer tires in cold temps.

In my youth I did drive on non D.O.T. drag slicks all winter. This in Eau Claire Wisconsin. I drove in snow, slush, rain, cold and dry conditions. I would never tell anyone it is a good idea to do this. Just I did and had a blast. 1970 440 4 speed Roadrunner.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Yes, what I did that winter was reckless. Had I hit someone it would have been my fault 100%

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[KingKona]

If you are driving on summer tires in cold temps you are. (temps below what the manufacturer says is OK.)

Not if you are telling the OP or anyone to run summer tires in cold temps.

In my youth I did drive on non D.O.T. drag slicks all winter. This in Eau Claire Wisconsin. I drove in snow, slush, rain, cold and dry conditions. I would never tell anyone it is a good idea to do this. Just I did and had a blast. 1970 440 4 speed Roadrunner.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Yes, what I did that winter was reckless. Had I hit someone it would have been my fault 100%

Have you driven on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4s, Firestone Indy 500s, or Continental Extreme Contact Sport 02s in Georgia or Virginia winters?

 

[K4fxd]

Have you driven on the Michelin Pilot Sport 4s, Firestone Indy 500s, or Continental Extreme Contact Sport 02s in Georgia or Virginia winters?

Nope, the corvette stays parked in the winter. If I had the pilot sport 4 A/S I would drive them in winter.

 

[KingKona]

Nope, the corvette stays parked in the winter. If I had the pilot sport 4 A/S I would drive them in winter.

So then....you have 0 idea of what you're talking about.

Got it.

Tell ya what......here's links to the manufacturer's pages for all three tires. Please find where they state what temps not use their tires below.

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-4-s

https://continentaltire.com/tires/extremecontact-sport-02

https://www.firestonetire.com/tire/firehawk-indy-500/195-55R16/#

 

[MrMike]

So then....you have 0 idea of what you're talking about.

Got it.

Tell ya what......here's links to the manufacturer's pages for all three tires. Please find where they state what temps not use their tires below.

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/tires/michelin-pilot-sport-4-s

https://continentaltire.com/tires/extremecontact-sport-02

https://www.firestonetire.com/tire/firehawk-indy-500/195-55R16/#

I can't believe I'm feeding the troll but here you go. You are going to get someone hurt, and no one should be listening to your advice. It is dangerous.

https://www.continental-tires.com/c...fitting/changing-tires/summer-or-winter-tires

When the seasonal temperature falls below 7 °C (46 °F), it's time to switch to winter tires.

https://www.continental-tires.com/c...fitting/changing-tires/summer-tires-in-winter

Even on dry roads without ice and snow, winter brings colder temperatures. Summer tires are not built for cold weather. The tire tread will stiffen. In addition to reducing traction, this poses a risk to the tire itself.

The tire loses its elasticity and may crack. There's a risk of chipping of the overly stiff thread block. Chipped and cracked tires are not safe to drive on and must be replaced.

https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/tires/type/summer-tires/

The short answer is, yes. While summer tires are generally suitable for three seasons (spring, summer, and fall), once temperatures start to drop below 40 to 45 degrees Fahrenheit, the rubber used to make summer tires becomes less flexible. Summer tires are made from a more pliable rubber to increase road contact and it could crack in temperatures below 32 degrees Fahrenheit. Protect the longevity of your summer tires but switching to winter tires in colder temperatures.

https://michelinmedia.com/pages/blog/detail/article/c/a575/

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/au...-guide/differences-in-types-of-seasonal-tires


There's also this older NHTSA messaging from people doing this absolutely dumb idea of driving with summer tires in the winter and having their tires crack.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10082862-5448.pdf

dvise customers of these vehicles that they are equipped with a high performance
summer-only tire that will have reduced traction performance at temperatures below
approximately 40°F (5°C). GM recommends installing winter tires if driving below these
temperatures. Avoid driving, moving, or test-driving vehicles equipped with high
performance summer-only tires below 20°F (−7°C), as operating at these temperatures
can cause damage to the tires. This Bulletin also applies to any of the above models
that may be Export vehicles.

 

[DemonGT]

If you are driving on summer tires in cold temps you are. (temps below what the manufacturer says is OK.)

Not if you are telling the OP or anyone to run summer tires in cold temps.

In my youth I did drive on non D.O.T. drag slicks all winter. This in Eau Claire Wisconsin. I drove in snow, slush, rain, cold and dry conditions. I would never tell anyone it is a good idea to do this. Just I did and had a blast. 1970 440 4 speed Roadrunner.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Yes, what I did that winter was reckless. Had I hit someone it would have been my fault 100%

I get what your saying but there is a pretty large difference between Wisconsin and Georgia in regards to temp and weather. I think that's what he was getting at. He wasn't saying to drive summer tires in snow just that the temp/weather where he is located dose not warrant winter or even A/S tires.

 

[shogun32]

Please find where they state what temps not use their tires below.

There you go confusing us with unavailable "facts"

 

[MrMike]

I get what your saying but there is a pretty large difference between Wisconsin and Georgia in regards to temp and weather. I think that's what he was getting at. He wasn't saying to drive summer tires in snow just that the temp/weather where he is located dose not warrant winter or even A/S tires.

I agree with the logic being applied to GA. You can get away with summers for the vast majority of the year there.

The issue is that it's gone from that to him literally denying that there's any temperature recommendations for summer tires at all. He's just trolling now.

 

[shogun32]

I can't believe I'm feeding the troll but here you go

see, the greater intelligence and community spirit of Guard Green owners is once more on display. upvote!

 

[KingKona]

I can't believe I'm feeding the troll but here you go. You are going to get someone hurt, and no one should be listening to your advice. It is dangerous.

https://www.continental-tires.com/c...fitting/changing-tires/summer-or-winter-tires



https://www.continental-tires.com/c...fitting/changing-tires/summer-tires-in-winter



https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/tires/type/summer-tires/



https://michelinmedia.com/pages/blog/detail/article/c/a575/

https://www.michelinman.com/auto/au...-guide/differences-in-types-of-seasonal-tires


There's also this older NHTSA messaging from people doing this absolutely dumb idea of driving with summer tires in the winter and having their tires crack.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10082862-5448.pdf

So....you have 0 information regarding what I specifically asked, nor do you have any 1st hand experience of your own. Just outdated information from years ago.

Once again, you are tasked;

For the three specific tires I gave you links to, show us where they state the precise temperatures not to use them below.

We'll all wait.

 

[KingKona]

......it's gone from that to him literally denying that there's any temperature recommendations for summer tires at all. He's just trolling now.

Just because you don't like the facts being provided, doesn't mean someone is trolling.

You can join in if you want;

For the three specific tires I gave links to, show us where they state the precise temperatures not to use them below.

We'll all wait.

 

[KingKona]

I get what your saying but there is a pretty large difference between Wisconsin and Georgia in regards to temp and weather. I think that's what he was getting at. He wasn't saying to drive summer tires in snow just that the temp/weather where he is located dose not warrant winter or even A/S tires.

This.

Plus.....

Tire tech has changed.

Yes, 10+ years ago "summer only" tires turned to hockey pucks and cracked in cold temps. But today's newer tires (like the 3 I've suggested to the OP and linked to) work just fine.

My current set of the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S have TWO daily driven winters on them (with a snowy drive or 3 included), and they've been perfectly fine. The Contis are the new Sport Contact 02s, and there is no temp limitations per the manufacturer. I also did 2 winters with the Indy 500s, that included a few snowy days, and they were in excellent condition when I sold the car.

Times have changed, the tire tech has improved, and two of the three tires I have listed I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with going through 4 DD winters using.

 

[shogun32]

Yes, 10+ years ago "summer only" tires turned to hockey pucks and cracked in cold temps.

except my PS4S might as well have been wood one wintry day in 2019 (feb?) Sterling at 33F. 1/8" of snow and it was spin city. Once I finally managed to get out to the main road and it was only 'wet' I was able to make headway but brake tests were SKETCH for a couple miles. Even 5 miles down the road the ABS was quite keen on anything more than a modest decel.

So while you won't die immediately in PS4S in winter temps, I'd never try it again.

 

[KingKona]

except my PS4S might as well have been wood one wintry day in Sterling at 33F. 1/8" of snow and it was spin city. Once I finally managed to get out to the main road and it was 'wet' I was able to make headway but brake tests were SKETCH for a couple miles. Even 5 miles down the road the ABS was quite keen on anything more than a modest decel.

So while you won't die immediately in PS4S in winter temps, I'd never try it again.

I've driven in colder, snowier and nastier conditions with the same tires, and had absolutely 0 issues. You just have to know how to drive for the conditions.

Regardless of what tires you have on your car.

I'll give you some lessons the next time it snows here.

 

[shogun32]

You just have to know how to drive for the conditions.

Tell that to me when my car is sliding backwards down the slight hill in the parking lot. Or the merest whiff of throttle and smidge of clutch lights up the tires and I go nowhere or starts to swing the ass around. I eventually had to resort to using just clutch and relying on the anti-stall ECU feature to get rolling.

But sure, I bow to your superior skills and finely-honed Detroit sensibilities.
And no I won't sell you any of my collection of winter or UHP A/S tires and instead just chuck the pile of PS4S at your head. Besties?

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