Maximum Safe RPM?

[MaskedRacerX]

I don't have a problem with the MT82. It has withstood so much abuse already in my car. Granted, I experience lock out from time to time, but I've had a positive experience for the most part. Before saying the MT82 is junk, try a different shifter like the Steeda tri-ax. Also, a harder bushing might help too.

Same here, I've had exclusively manuals for my car - vs the wife/family vehicle - over the last couple of decades and I don't have any issues with the MT82 (even vs. my S2K which had a universally acclaimed gearbox). I don't miss gears, or have engagement issues, or any kind of rattle or buzz.

If you think the throw a little long, swap out the shifter. Knob too light, wrong size, swap that out (my GT350 knob really changed things up for such a minor mod). All my manuals have had minor clunks/clanks, nothing very intrusive, it's kind of expected, there's all sorts of mechanical vehicle sounds, injectors, fans, it's part of the experience, hell, don't most of us even do things to make the car _louder_

Another thing I plan on doing very soon, is swapping the fluid out for BG Syncro Shift II, which is supposed to be a pretty noticeable change.

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[BmacIL]

Same here, I've had exclusively manuals for my car - vs the wife/family vehicle - over the last couple of decades and I don't have any issues with the MT82 (even vs. my S2K which had a universally acclaimed gearbox). I don't miss gears, or have engagement issues, or any kind of rattle or buzz.

If you think the throw a little long, swap out the shifter. Knob too light, wrong size, swap that out (my GT350 knob really changed things up for such a minor mod). All my manuals have had minor clunks/clanks, nothing very intrusive, it's kind of expected, there's all sorts of mechanical vehicle sounds, injectors, fans, it's part of the experience, hell, don't most of us even do things to make the car _louder_

Another thing I plan on doing very soon, is swapping the fluid out for BG Syncro Shift II, which is supposed to be a pretty noticeable change.

MGW + BG Syncroshift II makes the MT82 really nice to drive.

 

[Zelek]

MGW + BG Syncroshift II makes the MT82 really nice to drive.

Can attest to this as well. The fluid swap is only part of it. The shifter is where the magic + the fluid come together.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

MGW + BG Syncroshift II makes the MT82 really nice to drive.

Can attest to this as well. The fluid swap is only part of it. The shifter is where the magic + the fluid come together.

Cool, yeah, I have a list of things I want to do for 2019, and the fluid is a definite, but I'm starting to think about a possible shifter swap as well, seems like a good improvement vs. the fairly low cost.

 

[BmacIL]

Cool, yeah, I have a list of things I want to do for 2019, and the fluid is a definite, but I'm starting to think about a possible shifter swap as well, seems like a good improvement vs. the fairly low cost.

Even for a daily driven car, and my sensitive ears/rear, completely worth it.

 

[SiMuL]

I have the GT350 CAI, '18 intake mani, 49lb injectors, LT headers, and full 3" exhaust w/flex fuel tune set with an 8k limit. (no OPG gear yet) I run the car to 7800 all the time. I hit the soft limiter once at 8k. Being a "soft" limiter, there is no bouncing, just an ignition cut, so it's rather easy on the motor.

I notice power falls off around ~7700 or so. Hearing a 5 liter v8 screaming to 8k is quite exciting.

 

[Bluemustang]

1. Automatics cannot know what gear I want to be in right now, nor in 5 seconds when a gap is going to open in traffic. Not correct with the Mustang. Paddle shifters. Select whatever gear you want. For some reason some people are afraid of doing this or don't want to and just say the automatic is bad.
2. While automatics do offer various methods of manual modes, many of them do not respond when asked (Not to be confused with shifting speed) - Mine does.
3. Many automatics do not compression brake the same as a manual. I use this "feature" all the time. - Mine does have engine braking. Not quite the same as a manual I'll grant you.
4. No price can be put on the "one with the car" feeling I get with the manual. It represents something archaic, as if operating a paper mill, or a tractor or a piece of industrial machinery. For example, if you grab the shifter handle, you can feel the whirring of the shafts through the shift forks. If you don't use the clutch right, the car punishes/embarrasses you; whereas a good rev-matched downshift rewards you... The automatic, even exceptional ones, fail to reproduce this visceral feeling. This is really no different than a guitarist arguing tubes sound better than transistors (I'm in this camp), original audio sounds better than compressed audio (Also me), and LP's sound better than CD's (Not me, although LP's do have more character). If you think about it, for drag racing, the Tesla is probably going to out-pull, especially on an 1/8 mile. Just because it's technically better doesn't make it all that much fun. - Good points.

 

[Bluemustang]

And yeah as others have stated, just don't bounce off the limiter if you're near 8K.

 

[Rjames18]

Send mine to 8600rpms.. but opg and boosted. I try not to go up to that tho

 

[MKMotorsport]

That’s wild! Is 8,000 safe without changing the oil pump gear on an NA car?

100's of track passes, 7800rpm shifts (ported Boss/Accufab/4.10's/etc..); 50k miles on mine, been tuned since 16k mi. It'll be fine ;)

 

[Biggsy]

Looking at everybody's shift points...part of me feel as though my engine is about to break or I'm not feeling the power/push that I'm supposed to feel. I barely make it over 6k. It just seems that after 5500 the car isn't pulling anymore. Also do tunes help the RPMs drop faster? Because when I do send it I have to wait longer than I would like to up shift to prevent the jerk. Maybe when I pick up an MGW and a tune it will be better.

(Sorry I'm not utilizing the cars potential yet. This is the first manual car I've own and that I have driven more than 5 miles by the way so I don't know everything there is to know)

 

[WhiteyDog]

Send mine to 8600rpms.. but opg and boosted. I try not to go up to that tho

8600rpms?!?!?!? Good Lord that's screaming!!! That gotta sound incredible though.

 

[BmacIL]

Looking at everybody's shift points...part of me feel as though my engine is about to break or I'm not feeling the power/push that I'm supposed to feel. I barely make it over 6k. It just seems that after 5500 the car isn't pulling anymore. Also do tunes help the RPMs drop faster? Because when I do send it I have to wait longer than I would like to up shift to prevent the jerk. Maybe when I pick up an MGW and a tune it will be better.

(Sorry I'm not utilizing the cars potential yet. This is the first manual car I've own and that I have driven more than 5 miles by the way so I don't know everything there is to know)

The stock car makes peak power at 6750, so it is continuing to increase acceleration until then. With a tune you'd be able to shift at over 7000 to take advantage of the peak, though shifting higher than above 7200 won't get you much. It will help with rev hang, too.

Going to a different manifold (like the 18) changes everything. The way it builds power from 4500-7500 is incredible, and a drastic difference over stock. With a good tune it's much quicker and quicker feeling than a stock car.

 

[Ronnoc]

I've been taking my Full bolt On car to 8k where the limit is with no issues yet (Fingers Crossed) rarely however, usually shift by 7.7ish. With that said and like others above had said, even with the better mani, the ideal shift point is probably around 7700 RPM as power falls off, However there is the debate on time in gear is more effective than "short shifting" at the HP Peak. And also your mileage may vary, you could have a stock motor blow up at 7k rpms theoretically.

 

[Loki-GT]

Although this is really off topic, I'll bite. I've owned over 30 cars over the last couple of decades. I was driving before many of you were probably born LOL. I would say about 25 of the cars have been manuals and a handful were automatics. I've had crappy GM 3 speed autos, halfway decent GM 4-speeds (4L60E), a Jatco [Nissan] 5-speed in a 350z, a lexus with a 6-speed and a BMW with a ZF 6 speed. I've also had both the dodge 46RE 4-speed and the 45RFE which is a 5,6, or 7 speed depending on how you look at it, and the worst auto transmission ever conceived, the Dodge Ultrastar 62TE. I occasionally drive a 3/4 ton suburban at work with the 4L80e which is renowned for it's strength.

I've had a few honda manuals, isuzu manual (In a Pontiac Fiero GT), a few getregs, a T5, and a few T56's and now the MT82. My SRT-4 had the new venture gear T850. I think my S-10 had a new venture gearbox that was also kind of lousy. I don't remember what kind of gearbox my VW's had from the early 80's but they might as well have been a piece of boiled asparagus stuck in a bowl of oatmeal.

Of all of the autos, the ZF 6 speed in the BMW was (by far) the best. In sport mode, it shifted fairly quickly and most of the time would hold gears, even around corners. I sold the car because even though it was the best auto I had ever driven, I didn't like it.

I remember the T5 in my fox body being notchy, and the MT82 is (to me) very similar. In one way, I like it because it is very mechanical, but in other ways, it does not shift as good as the T56's. The Honda FWD transmissions were works of art for remote shifters, and the T850 transmission was designed for a turbo diesel european minivan and it felt like it, shift quality was abysmal, however it did take twice the torque and ran fine for over 100,000 miles.

I spend 2 hours a day in LA traffic, so I think I fit the mold for not wanting a manual, but I specifically won't consider cars if they don't have manuals. Rumors are the mid-engine C8 is going to be DCT-only, and every Benz is an auto except for the pathetic MLK250.

Yes, automatics (now) are faster. They can modulate torque better, shift faster, sometimes have more gears and allow you to take off with a torque brake opposed to (at best) a two-step with a manual. It's also much safer for the driveline. So why the manual?

1. Automatics cannot know what gear I want to be in right now, nor in 5 seconds when a gap is going to open in traffic
2. While automatics do offer various methods of manual modes, many of them do not respond when asked (Not to be confused with shifting speed)
3. Many automatics do not compression brake the same as a manual. I use this "feature" all the time.
4. No price can be put on the "one with the car" feeling I get with the manual. It represents something archaic, as if operating a paper mill, or a tractor or a piece of industrial machinery. For example, if you grab the shifter handle, you can feel the whirring of the shafts through the shift forks. If you don't use the clutch right, the car punishes/embarrasses you; whereas a good rev-matched downshift rewards you... The automatic, even exceptional ones, fail to reproduce this visceral feeling. This is really no different than a guitarist arguing tubes sound better than transistors (I'm in this camp), original audio sounds better than compressed audio (Also me), and LP's sound better than CD's (Not me, although LP's do have more character). If you think about it, for drag racing, the Tesla is probably going to out-pull, especially on an 1/8 mile. Just because it's technically better doesn't make it all that much fun.

What's best? Whatever is in your car, because you bought it to suit you. For me, I row my own gears in a car, and I use an auto for my trucks/SUVs/minivans because the torque converter makes hauling bulk materials much easier.

Agreed with a lot of what you're saying but I'd like to add that automatics going back just 13 years ago (sans that BMW and a few others), I should say American automatic transmissions especially from Ford for the Mustang have been horrible, in fact all pre-2005 automatics for the Mustang were slush box junk. An automatic Fox body bone stock could be well over a second slower than a manual Mustang or even an automatic GM insert name here. GM had better ones going back to the 80's performance wise and the 6spd auto in the S197 was not bad at all.

The 10r80 isn't as good as the new 7spd DCT for the GT500 but it is the best automatic to ever sit in a production ford Mustang. I've had mine since April 2018 and the miles it has are going to the drag strip, racing all day then driving home without breaking down and with a sh*t eating grin on my face as that auto in Drag Mode slammed gears like nobodies business. GOing back to the pits somebody always asked if I was shifting because of how hard 2nd and 3rd were hitting. Driving home it is always in the right gear, if going for a spirited run pull the lever back into Sport Mode and it drops instantly into the right gear for accelerating as fast as you wish from any speed and it then keeps you in the power band all the time, damn near like a CVT only it's actually fast.

My entire life I have preferred manual's, even when it was the glass T5, although my Zseries T5 back in '95 was what seemed like bullet proof, now I'm sold on the new A10, never thought that would happen until my first test drive, after that, sold, big time.

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