Manual Trans. Thud when shifting

[mustang_guy]

You say that until you deal with Mini customers haha. My store used to be BMW/Mini until they recently built them their own store right next to us. We often would fill in or help out with the Mini advisors and vise versa. When ever I was hating life with BMW I would help out Mini and would go running back happy to help a BMW customer haha. Seriously Mini's have a cult like following...they love their cars so much but don't take care of them and when there 03 with 120K miles needs a timing chain set bc they let the motor get low on oil for lack of maintenance they want Mini to pay for it. Bc they have no money, it's there only car, they do volunteer work or are in there 8th year at some art school and they need a loaner...haha

Maybe its just my area but that sounds like my dealer, instead of it saying mini it reads Bmw. :lol: I find that MOST german car owners either A cannot afford the upkeep to keep them running. Which owning these bmws you might as well have an umbilical cord to your wallet. They ignore most of the repairs til it leaves them stranded. Youd think people would research how much it actually costs to keep these POS running properly. B they are so rich, they have zero fucks to give. I think the majority fall under A.

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[mustang_guy]

I had one customers car in my bay that put gas in her brand new x5 diesel. She said to the service writer "what do you mean thats not cover under warranty?" "I didnt know it needs different fuel." "what good is this warranty if it doesnt cover repairs?" It needed a new engine plus other fuel pieces replaced and the entire exhaust system. It almost cost half the trucks price. :lol:

 

[redline727]

I had one customers car in my bay that put gas in her brand new x5 diesel. She said to the service writer "what do you mean thats not cover under warranty?" "I didnt know it needs different fuel." "what good is this warranty if it doesnt cover repairs?" It needed a new engine plus other fuel pieces replaced and the entire exhaust system. It almost cost half the trucks price. [emoji38]

You had same thing happen at my store but didn't need an engine. Guy caught it shortly after starting it up at the gas station. Immediately shut it off and called road side. We just had to replace the entire fuel system...he actually got his insurance company to cover it. Same with another gentlemen who put coolant in the crank case. His coolant light came on and though since it was engine coolant that it went in the crankcase after removing the oil filler cap with the oil can pictured on it! facepalm...he went through his auto insurance too. They must have had that new stupidity coverage you can add to your policy...

 

[redline727]

Just so others know this is the majority of the clientele we service on a regular basis. It's refreshing when a car guy or girl comes in that takes care of their car and had a legitimate concern. We really want to help you. I try and go above and beyond when possible. So not all dealers will brush you off but at the dealer level we have limitations under what can be done under warranty.

Now to get back on track I agree with others that so far in my experience with this trans on 2 different mustangs it does seem to get a lot of hate from dog piling at the forum level. When I think back at my last 5 performance car I bought new or used with low mileage only one do I remember not having a single complaint with.

08 STI new - no issues I can recall but also had the longest time ago
05 S2000 9K miles - 04+ Honda put a reducer pill in the slave to reduce pressure to the plate to keep drive train shock down at 8K rpm shifts to keep from breaking the dif and axles. So the clutch would slip leaving it on you if the clutch was toast reducing on warranty claims that were high on 02-03's. And second gear was very notchy.
09 370Z 10K miles - known weak internal slave cylinders that would leak and leave you stranded with the pedal to the floor. Never left me stranded but pedal started to feel unreliable right before I traded it in. 1st gear and the flywheel sounded like a dump truck and 1-2 shift was horrible.
13 Mustang new - shifter assembly was shit and clutch line was horrible and had inconsistent pedal pressure during spirited driving.
15 GT new - improved shifter feel but noticeable thud at low gear shifts mainly 1-2 so far every other shift is good but really haven't put it through the paces enough yet. But think most can be improved with a fluid change but wondering if it's worth it bc if it breaks I don't want to give them an excuse to deny the claim.

 

[mustang_guy]

The minorities always speak the loudest, then other people see the small portion of people crying out. They then start spreading it around like its gospel that its absolutely going to happen to you. What I think is happening, most (not to be confused with all) people are just expecting a whisper quiet and silky smooth super high end transmission. This is a mustang, not some 100k car. Most manuals have some flaws. Even my 14 gt500 with its factory installed tremec wasnt perfect. Some manuals are better then others obviously, but for the most part, they are pretty reliable transmissions.

People need to google tremec 6060 problems. Most manuals aren't without some flaws.

 

[Dave]

Manuals are noisy. Especially one in a car designed for performance, that doesn't have a lot of money dedicated to refinement and sound-deadening.

Here's how to reproduce the "lurch" - clutch out in neutral, rev the car up good, and while the revs are falling, push the clutch down and shift to 1st or 2nd. It's just inertia on the input shaft. Nothing to worry about at all. Maybe the 130 HP Honda you learned how to drive stick in didn't do that, but it didn't have a transmission designed to hold 400+ HP/torque, either.

That little whine and chatter you hear when you creep along at 10 mph? It's just gear lash. Unless it's excessive, it's not a problem, it just means Ford didn't put an extra 75 lbs of sound deadening crap under the car. I wouldn't give it a second thought unless it's a loud whine especially in one particular gear.

The clunk you get when you shift is probably just the Torsen diff (or even the clutch diffs will do it) or a little driveline lash. Learn to drive the car smoothly. Unless it's excessive, it's not an issue.

Maybe you coast up to a light and you can't get the car in 1st, or you are parked and the car won't go into reverse... No big deal, let the clutch out in neutral, clutch back in and try going from 2nd to 1st or 1st to reverse. It happens on manuals, it's not a problem.

I've been driving manuals for a long time, and I've owned a bunch. They all have these same issues to some degree. If you have any doubts, have an expert take a look, but if the car shifts fine at redline chances are it's normal noise or you just haven't learned to drive it smoothly yet.

 

[Genxer]

Ford hung their hat on a transmission that will be in Mustangs sold all over the world. If they were truly junk I think Ford would have picked '15 to move on to something else. It will be interesting to get the European's take on the MT82.

I like my transmission since removing the remote shifter mount. It is the same at 3300 miles as it was when new.

 

[wimbrow]

europes take on MT82

Ford hung their hat on a transmission that will be in Mustangs sold all over the world. If they were truly junk I think Ford would have picked '15 to move on to something else. It will be interesting to get the European's take on the MT82.

I like my transmission since removing the remote shifter mount. It is the same at 3300 miles as it was when new.

hi genexer, I've been following the european threads and have started some on AT vs MT. almost all of the members so far have NO complaints about the MT82, and most say its great, smooth, etc.

 

[John S.]

Manuals are noisy. Especially one in a car designed for performance, that doesn't have a lot of money dedicated to refinement and sound-deadening.

Here's how to reproduce the "lurch" - clutch out in neutral, rev the car up good, and while the revs are falling, push the clutch down and shift to 1st or 2nd. It's just inertia on the input shaft. Nothing to worry about at all. Maybe the 130 HP Honda you learned how to drive stick in didn't do that, but it didn't have a transmission designed to hold 400+ HP/torque, either.

That little whine and chatter you hear when you creep along at 10 mph? It's just gear lash. Unless it's excessive, it's not a problem, it just means Ford didn't put an extra 75 lbs of sound deadening crap under the car. I wouldn't give it a second thought unless it's a loud whine especially in one particular gear.

The clunk you get when you shift is probably just the Torsen diff (or even the clutch diffs will do it) or a little driveline lash. Learn to drive the car smoothly. Unless it's excessive, it's not an issue.

Maybe you coast up to a light and you can't get the car in 1st, or you are parked and the car won't go into reverse... No big deal, let the clutch out in neutral, clutch back in and try going from 2nd to 1st or 1st to reverse. It happens on manuals, it's not a problem.

I've been driving manuals for a long time, and I've owned a bunch. They all have these same issues to some degree. If you have any doubts, have an expert take a look, but if the car shifts fine at redline chances are it's normal noise or you just haven't learned to drive it smoothly yet.

I have owned a regular c5 corvette, a c5 Z06 corvette, and a cts-v. None of them were noisy or clunky and they were designed to hold over 400hp/tq.

 

[Dave]

I have owned a regular c5 corvette, a c5 Z06 corvette, and a cts-v. None of them were noisy or clunky and they were designed to hold over 400hp/tq.

I doubt seriously that GM has developed technology to overcome the inertia of a rotating input shaft, so my guess is, those cars had a lot more sound-deadening (Cadillac) or a lot louder exhaust (Corvette) or some combination of the two.

I've owned several cars that will clunk in one or more of the ways I described, and it was all perfectly normal. If you think you have an issue, obviously keep going to the dealer and complaining, but none of the clunks I've heard my GT make sound abnormal in the slightest.

 

[John S.]

I doubt seriously that GM has developed technology to overcome the inertia of a rotating input shaft, so my guess is, those cars had a lot more sound-deadening (Cadillac) or a lot louder exhaust (Corvette) or some combination of the two.

I've owned several cars that will clunk in one or more of the ways I described, and it was all perfectly normal. If you think you have an issue, obviously keep going to the dealer and complaining, but none of the clunks I've heard my GT make sound abnormal in the slightest.

You can doubt all you want. I'm telling you they were not clunky or noisy at all like the mustang. The clunk was the very first thing I noticed at the ford dealership on my test drive. The stock exhaust on both corvettes were quiet especially at idle where the clunk is present in the gt. The GM cars were not as sloppy as the mustang. For the 40k I spent on this car I am not pleased. Just don't claim all cars do this because they don't. I've owned over 20 cars and all but 3 were manual and none of them had the drive train slop of this mustang and that includes a 1982 turbo 280zx.

 

[redline727]

I have owned a regular c5 corvette, a c5 Z06 corvette, and a cts-v. None of them were noisy or clunky and they were designed to hold over 400hp/tq.

I doubt seriously that GM has developed technology to overcome the inertia of a rotating input shaft, so my guess is, those cars had a lot more sound-deadening (Cadillac) or a lot louder exhaust (Corvette) or some combination of the two.

I've owned several cars that will clunk in one or more of the ways I described, and it was all perfectly normal. If you think you have an issue, obviously keep going to the dealer and complaining, but none of the clunks I've heard my GT make sound abnormal in the slightest.

You can doubt all you want. I'm telling you they were not clunky or noisy at all like the mustang. The clunk was the very first thing I noticed at the ford dealership on my test drive. The stock exhaust on both corvettes were quiet especially at idle where the clunk is present in the gt. The GM cars were not as sloppy as the mustang. For the 40k I spent on this car I am not pleased. Just don't claim all cars do this because they don't. I've owned over 20 cars and all but 3 were manual and none of them had the drive train slop of this mustang and that includes a 1982 turbo 280zx.

Let's not forget the corvette has a rear mounted transmission...that will play a big part in what you feel and hear in that car...so I would not compare that to the mustang. And the CTS-V being a Cadillac and luxury brand a lot more time and money is spent on sound deadening and dampening any drivetrain shock/noises back to the driver/cabin...

I'm not agreeing that every car does what the mustang does. But I do agree neither of us probably have the engineering/design background on this particular platform and transmission to deem Ford liars and say there is something wrong when it very well may be a characteristic of the car/trans...every car/drivetrain has it's own quirks and always will.

Has any one ever heard a sequential racing transmission shift into first from neutral? It sounds like the driveshaft broke it's bolts and dropped on the ground. Am I going to tell them it's not normal and it should be fixed, when in reality that's how they sound??? Nope, because what the hell do I know. I just know it didn't sound normal to what I can compare it too. But god damn if that thing didn't shred heading sideways along a wall over 80mph. (reference, I won a trip last year to be an honorary crew member for Vaughn Gittin Jr and got to ride in his commission car at Texas Motor Speedway, the same car that was wrecked two weekends ago unfortunately)

 

[John S.]

Keep making excuses for Ford's shitty quality. I'll just spend my money elsewhere in the future.

 

[redline727]

Keep making excuses for Ford's shitty quality. I'll just spend my money elsewhere in the future. [emoji106]

If it's the first thing you noticed on your test drive as stated above why did you buy it?

 

[mustang_guy]

Keep making excuses for Ford's shitty quality. I'll just spend my money elsewhere in the future.

You call fords quality shitty but like gm. Thats the best part.:lol:

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