Mach 1 Upgrade Advice Please

[Mach1Yorky]

Good evening All.
This is my first post on this forum, my best wishes to you all.
I currently own a 2020 Bullitt with a Steeda H Pipe. I have to say I love the car and have put 15,000 miles on it.

I'm now itching for a Mach 1 with Handling pack, very difficult find! My Mustang is to be a daily but also to be used for circa track days per year, albeit not used too heavy each driving session. I've used my Bullitt for a couple of track days, had lots of fun but want a new journey with a Mach 1.

My thoughts for upgrades are as follows:
- Engine & Exhaust: Thinking header pipes (Kooks) with sport cats and a H-Pipe. I love raw sounding cars, but would this be too loud for track days? I would also go with a tune to enable a stronger torque mid range.
- Brakes: My Bullitt has actually held up very well on track days, any recommendations for pads upgrades etc.
- Chassis: I've yet to drive a Mach 1, but any low cost upgrades to recommend here? I need to keep the road manners with this car.

Any other recommendations or experiences would be very much appreciated.
Thanks

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[WD Pro]

I will steer clear of recommendations for mods as that gets very individual - but there are others on here (in the U.K.) that have some of what you mention so I am sure they will be along to comment soon

Ref your mention of ‘handling pack’ - you won’t find those in the U.K. as it’s a USDM only option, but you could upgrade to the same, similar or better components after purchase.

Note that if you are mixing up the handling pack with a U.K. spec, there are other changes that you need to make yourself aware of when comparing a USDM to a U.K. spec car (gauges, diff ratio, diff type etc)

WD

 

[E=MC2]

I currently own a 2020 Bullitt with a Steeda H Pipe. I have to say I love the car and have put 15,000 miles on it.

I'm now itching for a Mach 1 with Handling pack, very difficult find!

HP variants are not sold outside of the USA, You will need to source, paint and install the parts yourself. - Any modification & non spec OEM parts can cause the warranty to become null & void, if modified in anyway outside of OEM specification the onus is on you.

- Engine & Exhaust: Thinking header pipes (Kooks) with sport cats and a H-Pipe. I love raw sounding cars

Any changes which exceed the type & homologation limits makes the vehicle illegal to drive on public roads. The stock mach 1 literally exceeds 95DB, I'm pretty sure it's over 100db at 7,450rpm in track mode but can't test it right now. Adding a LTH will far exceed this limit & any margin of error allowed.

- Brakes: My Bullitt has actually held up very well on track days, any recommendations for pads upgrades etc.
- Chassis: I've yet to drive a Mach 1, but any low cost upgrades to recommend here? I need to keep the road manners with this car.

Are you a cheapskate ?

 

[WD Pro]

HP variants are not sold outside of the USA, You will need to source, paint and install the parts yourself. - Any modification & non spec OEM parts can cause the warranty to become null & void, if modified in anyway outside of OEM specification the onus is on you.



Any changes which exceed the type & homologation limits makes the vehicle illegal to drive on public roads. The stock mach 1 literally exceeds 95DB, I'm pretty sure it's over 100db at 7,450rpm in track mode but can't test it right now. Adding a LTH will far exceed this limit & any margin of error allowed.



Are you a cheapskate ?

Just messing with you …

WD

 

[E=MC2]

you should know that by now, wink wink

 

[Mach1Yorky]

I will steer clear of recommendations for mods as that gets very individual - but there are others on here (in the U.K.) that have some of what you mention so I am sure they will be along to comment soon

Ref your mention of ‘handling pack’ - you won’t find those in the U.K. as it’s a USDM only option, but you could upgrade to the same, similar or better components after purchase.

Note that if you are mixing up the handling pack with a U.K. spec, there are other changes that you need to make yourself aware of when comparing a USDM to a U.K. spec car (gauges, diff ratio, diff type etc)

WD

Thank you for reply.
Handling pack - Im referring to the aesthetic pack, wheel, splitter, rear spoiler with guerney etc.

 

[Mach1Yorky]

HP variants are not sold outside of the USA, You will need to source, paint and install the parts yourself. - Any modification & non spec OEM parts can cause the warranty to become null & void, if modified in anyway outside of OEM specification the onus is on you.



Any changes which exceed the type & homologation limits makes the vehicle illegal to drive on public roads. The stock mach 1 literally exceeds 95DB, I'm pretty sure it's over 100db at 7,450rpm in track mode but can't test it right now. Adding a LTH will far exceed this limit & any margin of error allowed.



Are you a cheapskate ?

Thank you for the reply.
My UK Bullit (quieter than US models) with H-Pipe is circa 92-95dbs on stationary noise test. For UK tracks, i can go uptp circa 105DBS before face problems.
I want to extract as much of the raw V8 sounds as possible upto 105DBS.

 

[WD Pro]

@Mach1Yorky - Just a thought, if you are chasing track times there might not be as much in it as you thought (based on U.K. spec cars) :

time around Hockenheim

So the Mach was 2:00.6

The Bullitt lapped that course with them in 2:00.1 :




And GT was 2:01.2 :




All manuals, all on same tyres.

Conclusion : Not much to pick between the euro spec V8’s … ?

Just choose your favourite badge and and colour

WD

Based on a euro (therefore non HP), but pretty much a level playing field with :

• Same test team and track.
• Same tyres and same widths.
• No Torsen, but equal across all three.
• All euros - so a little down on power, but with the same engine changes as the USDM (Euro GT = 449ps & Euro Bullitt / Mach = 459ps)
• Euro GT and Bullitt = Essentially PP1 under the skin.
• The euro Mach is a USDM non HP under the skin, just without a Torsen as noted above.
• All cars manuals.
• All cars 3.55.

Admittedly the tests were on different days, but I think it demonstrates that it’s pretty much even and driver skill would be a much more influencing factor (especially as the Bullitt ‘won’ when technically / on paper it should have been the Mach)

WD

Side note, if the Bullitt’s and GT’s times were without MagneRide (remember it’s only comes as standard on the M1), that would muddy the water even more …

WD

 

[E=MC2]

Thank you for the reply.
My UK Bullit (quieter than US models) with H-Pipe is circa 92-95dbs on stationary noise test. For UK tracks, i can go uptp circa 105DBS before face problems.
I want to extract as much of the raw V8 sounds as possible upto 105DBS.

My V5C has it as 97DB, when I was doing some testing at 5700 RPM I could hear my Mach 1 revving in my house (I have a Victorian house, with very thick walls - it sounded like it was in the next room beside me.

We do have the same exhaust as the US version just with some GPF which really doesn't make much of a sound difference

The issue your going to have is, lets just say you get stopped because someone has reported a car acting in an anti social way (doesn't matter if you aren't in this case). You get pulled, they question the loudness of the car, the police are not required to use DB readers, they are allowed to use their ears. if they think the car is too loud they will ask you to return it to stock and you will have to do this. They could even seize the car.

You can change the exhaust and stuff but you will not be allowed to exceed what it says in the V5C with a modified exhaust, you can push it with a stock system but just becareful. I would recommend before you do anything is to consult with a legal firm on this area for your reassurance which would help you to make an ever better informed decision.

The Mach 1 is a fantastic car, It's a car you really have to focus on to drive, you got to learn this car. It's just incredible. The car wants you to redline it every time, make that engine raw louder and louder, screw the MPG. Everyone knows this car, its just surpassing how many people love it, it's just so positive - they all admire it, they take photos of it, kids stand on the pavement and watch.

No more Mach 1's or mustangs arriving in the UK, might not get the MY24- the last boat with mustang arrived in December 22. You can get some great deals, on some in this economy. I had dealers offer me £8k off a new one, could even get more if you wanted. I renegotiated mine with my dealer, which I order back in 21, when it arrived which I've only just taken ownership off.

People say the bulid isn't great, honestly - bulid is great.

FYI - read this thread: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ordered-new-mustang-😀.171355/post-3703068

 

[Mach1Yorky]

@Mach1Yorky - Just a thought, if you are chasing track times there might not be as much in it as you thought (based on U.K. spec cars) :








Side note, if the Bullitt’s and GT’s times were without MagneRide (remember it’s only comes as standard on the M1), that would muddy the water even more …

WD

Thanks for info. Certainly no focussing on track times. Ive spent plenty of money on instruction over past 25 years, that's where track times come from. Looking for improved brake feel/performance, chassis feel/performance and fun times.

 

[Mach1Yorky]

My V5C has it as 97DB, when I was doing some testing at 5700 RPM I could hear my Mach 1 revving in my house (I have a Victorian house, with very thick walls - it sounded like it was in the next room beside me.

We do have the same exhaust as the US version just with some GPF which really doesn't make much of a sound difference

The issue your going to have is, lets just say you get stopped because someone has reported a car acting in an anti social way (doesn't matter if you aren't in this case). You get pulled, they question the loudness of the car, the police are not required to use DB readers, they are allowed to use their ears. if they think the car is too loud they will ask you to return it to stock and you will have to do this. They could even seize the car.

You can change the exhaust and stuff but you will not be allowed to exceed what it says in the V5C with a modified exhaust, you can push it with a stock system but just becareful. I would recommend before you do anything is to consult with a legal firm on this area for your reassurance which would help you to make an ever better informed decision.

The Mach 1 is a fantastic car, It's a car you really have to focus on to drive, you got to learn this car. It's just incredible. The car wants you to redline it every time, make that engine raw louder and louder, screw the MPG. Everyone knows this car, its just surpassing how many people love it, it's just so positive - they all admire it, they take photos of it, kids stand on the pavement and watch.

No more Mach 1's or mustangs arriving in the UK, might not get the MY24- the last boat with mustang arrived in December 22. You can get some great deals, on some in this economy. I had dealers offer me £8k off a new one, could even get more if you wanted. I renegotiated mine with my dealer, which I order back in 21, when it arrived which I've only just taken ownership off.

People say the bulid isn't great, honestly - bulid is great.

FYI - read this thread: https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ordered-new-mustang-.171355/post-3703068

Thanks for this reply, I will read thread.
Im confused / unsure re noise levels. My Bullitt is definitely below 97dbs, I've had two track days where checked, maybe revs were below 5700.
Secondly, my understanding is the GPF UK/Euro cars are much quieter than US cars, the YouTube video's also back this up. In addition, I believe the intake pipes are smaller because right hand drive, not 100% about that detail though.

In terms of any legal issues, Ill take my chances. All my recent cars, plus wife's cars have been louder than stock and never had a police issue. A recent car was running 117Dbs, never had an issue, but I don't live in major city, so that might of helped !

 

[WD Pro]

In addition, I believe the intake pipes are smaller because right hand drive, not 100% about that detail though.

It’s the primaries on the exhaust header due to the RHD steering column

WD

 

[Gregs24]

No more Mach 1's or mustangs arriving in the UK, might not get the MY24- the last boat with mustang arrived in December 22.

S650 is all over the Ford UK site, so pretty sure we will get it.

 

[E=MC2]

S650 is all over the Ford UK site, so pretty sure we will get it.

With all the stupid emission rules to please the greta loving socialists & save the plant crap being changed, new regulations & tight fleet emissions coming into force, low volume sales product - who knows what will happen.

@Mach1Yorky Did some DB tests, all stock idling between 80 & 95DB in neutral, able to push the car over 105DB at around 5400 RPM, will test it sometime at 7450rpm

 

[Gregs24]

With all the stupid emission rules to please the greta loving socialists & save the plant crap being changed, new regulations & tight fleet emissions coming into force, low volume sales product - who knows what will happen.

@Mach1Yorky Did some DB tests, all stock idling between 80 & 95DB in neutral, able to push the car over 105DB at around 5400 RPM, will test it sometime at 7450rpm

I think what is happening is well understood by Ford for sales starting next year. How long it will last I don't know. Euro 7 is the next big change in 2025.

You can have concerns for the environment without being a Greta loving socialist!

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