Lund vs. BAMA ... review

[AMAlexLazarus]

I ended up losing ~3hp from the original Bama canned tune. AM and Bama totally stepped up when they found out. With Alex's help, Paul and I spent the next 2 weeks datalogging and tweaking over e-mail. In the end I was showing a 16hp gain, tuned to the best readily available pump gas in my area.

Thanks for your feedback here Ehdrian - Sorry it took so long to get you up and running but I suspect that the fuel up there may have had something to do with it! Beef's absolutely right though - These cars have only been on the ground for a little over 6 months and they really do take time to dial in to fully unlock their potential - It's never something that any one company would want to rush and just like what's been said even after the fact datalogging would be a must to further calibrate the S550's

If anyone has any questions at all don't hesitate to drop me a line, I'm always around to help out

That's the thing. Be patient. Everything doesn't happen overnight

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[anotherneon]

I wish you would just stop for the love of God. The tune needed updates to correct the issue, it would have needed updates no matter which device it was flashed with.

You do not do this for a living and I'm telling you it's not the device. The tunes are the same no matter how they are flashed now.

How can you "know" when you have no clue how any of this works

Why dont you just think before speaking? If the tunes are the exact same then why did one work and the other didnt. If they are both 100% the same then tell me how one worked and the other didnt? The only difference besides the tune would be the device used to upload the tune, and since both the tunes are the same thing fail point seems to be at the device, right? I dont have to sell parts for a living to use some common sense. If you dont like what I have to say then block me!

 

[Msteers]

It feels like 2010 all over again. If this is your first venture into the tuning world of coyotes, please do some research. There really is so much out there that a simple search will answer and maybe help a one avoid any confusion. Good lord.

 

[anotherneon]

so far so good with this pickup

What does a Vortec dyno graph have to do with "lund vs Bama"?

 

[Ryan1112]

That's the thing. Be patient. Everything doesn't happen overnight

If it can take a few weeks to get a tune dialed in then everyone needs to be ready to have to ride the bus for a while. The OP said he couldn't get his car back to stock at first.

I'm not saying the tuners are doing anything wrong because each car is different. I'm just saying that people need to be prepared if the car they are tuning is their daily driver.

 

[anotherneon]

If it can take a few weeks to get a tune dialed in then everyone needs to be ready to have to ride the bus for a while. The OP said he couldn't get his car back to stock at first.

I'm not saying the tuners are doing anything wrong because each car is different. I'm just saying that people need to be prepared if the car they are tuning is their daily driver.

In most cases the first tune shouldn't render your car useless regardless of tuner or device. There was some other issue at hand. The revisions are fine tuning and tweaking things.

 

[Ryan1112]

In most cases the first tune shouldn't render your care useless regardless of tuner or device. There was some other issue at hand. The revisions are fine tuning and tweaking things.

Ah, that's good.

 

[09jsw]

I'm so confused. Beef and others were selling people on the black box saying it fixed the issues the SCT had . Now we are being told both devices have/had the same issues and it was the tune the whole time. Who's lying here? Can't be both. My tune is great with the Sct

 

[beefcake]

Why dont you just think before speaking? If the tunes are the exact same then why did one work and the other didnt. If they are both 100% the same then tell me how one worked and the other didnt? The only difference besides the tune would be the device used to upload the tune, and since both the tunes are the same thing fail point seems to be at the device, right? I dont have to sell parts for a living to use some common sense. If you dont like what I have to say then block me!

I do think before I speak, and give out the correct information when I do speak.

To your question, that is a very easy answer. It wasn't that the customer had an identical tune from Lund on 2 different devices. That is the only instance where your post would make any sense.

The customer had tunes from 2 different tuning houses.

Now. The issue wasn't with the tune altogether, that is the beauty of lunds ticket system, is they keep track of everything via email, every conversation between them and the customer.

After loading the tune, the op commented to lund how great the tune was. The op then emailed back in that in the paddle mode, he was having issues with the "hardness" of the shifts.

Lund had some tweaking to do on the select shift / sport mode parameters. They were aware of it, and told the op they were doing some testing on their in house vehicle, but It would be finished for a week or so as they were going to support customers at the texas mile event.

OP did not want to drive with the tune in d mode where he was extremely happy with the tune, and wait for lund to get back the following week from the texas mile.

I can send you a hyperbox, or an x4, and give you 100% the exact same tune, if "we / lund" are the ones doing the tune.

If you think the information is incorrect, please explain to me how the tunes are written, what parameters are changed, how the tuning software works, how it passes through the device, and how it's not possible to have the same tune??

All I ask is if your going to give "technical" advice. To make sure the information is correct. To give out incorrect technical advice is irresponsible in nature.

I see it on the forums every day. People repeating something they read somewhere, on another forum, posted by someone else who had no technical backround.

It feels like 2010 all over again. If this is your first venture into the tuning world of coyotes, please do some research. There really is so much out there that a simple search will answer and maybe help a one avoid any confusion. Good lord.

What does a Vortec dyno graph have to do with "lund vs Bama"?

It is a graph of a "Lund tuned car" which works perfectly in all modes.

If it can take a few weeks to get a tune dialed in then everyone needs to be ready to have to ride the bus for a while. The OP said he couldn't get his car back to stock at first.

I'm not saying the tuners are doing anything wrong because each car is different. I'm just saying that people need to be prepared if the car they are tuning is their daily driver.

Exactly, we are still seeing new pcm codes popping up on cars. Just be patient.

In most cases the first tune shouldn't render your care useless regardless of tuner or device. There was some other issue at hand. The revisions are fine tuning and tweaking things.

The car wasn't rendered useless. Again, you haven't seen the tickets back and forth between lund and the op.

 

[beefcake]

I'm so confused. Beef and others were selling people on the black box saying it fixed the issues the SCT had . Now we are being told both devices have/had the same issues and it was the tune the whole time. Who's lying here? Can't be both. My tune is great with the Sct

For clarification. I make money to sell the SCT products. I make $0 when I sell the hyperbox.

Until 2 weeks ago, our "best" tune could not be delivered via the X4. We could tune it, but not to the level we could with the hyper box.

SCT and Lund worked together so that our Lund custom tunes are now available. That does not mean that everyone can do what we can do.

Their was no issue with the hyperbox tuning the car on the OPs car, it was simply a matter of things in the tune itself, for the select shift, needing to be tweeked in the tune itself. It wouldn't have mattered what device the tune was flashed through with, it was the tune itself did need some tweeks.

The OP was made aware that it would take a week or so for those tweeks to come down from the in house cars, to his car. He did not want to wait.

 

[anotherneon]

I do think before I speak, and give out the correct information when I do speak.

To your question, that is a very easy answer. It wasn't that the customer had an identical tune from Lund on 2 different devices. That is the only instance where your post would make any sense.

The customer had tunes from 2 different tuning houses.

Now. The issue wasn't with the tune altogether, that is the beauty of lunds ticket system, is they keep track of everything via email, every conversation between them and the customer.

After loading the tune, the op commented to lund how great the tune was. The op then emailed back in that in the paddle mode, he was having issues with the "hardness" of the shifts.

Lund had some tweaking to do on the select shift / sport mode parameters. They were aware of it, and told the op they were doing some testing on their in house vehicle, but It would be finished for a week or so as they were going to support customers at the texas mile event.

OP did not want to drive with the tune in d mode where he was extremely happy with the tune, and wait for lund to get back the following week from the texas mile.

I can send you a hyperbox, or an x4, and give you 100% the exact same tune, if "we / lund" are the ones doing the tune.

If you think the information is incorrect, please explain to me how the tunes are written, what parameters are changed, how the tuning software works, how it passes through the device, and how it's not possible to have the same tune??

All I ask is if your going to give "technical" advice. To make sure the information is correct. To give out incorrect technical advice is irresponsible in nature.

I see it on the forums every day. People repeating something they read somewhere, on another forum, posted by someone else who had no technical backround.







It is a graph of a "Lund tuned car" which works perfectly in all modes.



Exactly, we are still seeing new pcm codes popping up on cars. Just be patient.



The car wasn't rendered useless. Again, you haven't seen the tickets back and forth between lund and the op.

This is a direct quote from you

Again, you have 100% no idea what your speaking about.

Let the guys that handle the lund tuning answer the questions.

The tune on the 2 devices is 100% identical.

There were issues with the tune, that would have been on either device, those issues are now corrected.

Now youre saying that are different? And I never said his car was rendered useless, dont put words in my mouth! I used the same terminology the OP used "grounded". He said his car was grounded, to me that means he cant drive it and since someone else replied about how they would have to take a bus while getting his car tuned he interpreted it the same way.

 

[beefcake]

This is a direct quote from you

Now youre saying that are different? And I never said his car was rendered useless, dont put words in my mouth! I used the same terminology the OP used "grounded". He said his car was grounded, to me that means he cant drive it and since someone else replied about how they would have to take a bus while getting his car tuned he interpreted it the same way.

I honestly don't think you read.

If it is a "lund tune" , the tune would be the same on both devices.

The op has an x4 tune from AM and a box tune from lund.

I have no clue what you are saying.

You need to go back and re read from the start. What I said was, had the OP gotten an x4, with the tune on it, he still would have been unhappy with the select shift.

I don't know how else to say it. You aren't paying attention to what I'm typing.

You jumped in with a "box vs x4 thing", and what I'm telling you, again,

is IT DOES NOT MATTER, the issue wasnt' with the flashing device. The tune needed tweaking in the rev matching / select shift area.............

That issue has been corrected with the LUND tunes, no matter the device,

the op no longer has a lund tune.....

 

[anotherneon]

I honestly don't think you read.

If it is a "lund tune" , the tune would be the same on both devices.

The op has an x4 tune from AM and a box tune from lund.

I have no clue what you are saying.

You need to go back and re read from the start. What I said was, had the OP gotten an x4, with the tune on it, he still would have been unhappy with the select shift.

I don't know how else to say it. You aren't paying attention to what I'm typing.

You jumped in with a "box vs x4 thing", and what I'm telling you, again,

is IT DOES NOT MATTER, the issue wasnt' with the flashing device. The tune needed tweaking in the rev matching / select shift area.............

That issue has been corrected with the LUND tunes, no matter the device,

the op no longer has a lund tune.....

Perhaps you should have clarified that when you said 100% identical that you were speaking about the Lund tune being the same on both the x4 and hyperbox. I wasnt the only one who saw it that way either which is why I said what I said about it not being an apples to apples comparison and rather a "box vs x4 thing". But then again im always wrong and I dont know what to think now.

 

[beefcake]

Perhaps you should have clarified that when you said 100% identical that you were speaking about the Lund tune being the same on both the x4 and hyperbox. I wasnt the only one who saw it that way either which is why I said what I said about it not being an apples to apples comparison and rather a "box vs x4 thing". But then again im always wrong and I dont know what to think now.

no

Tune is the same no matter which device we use

I did say that......

OP posted he had a lund tune on the hyperbox, and now he has an am tune on the x4. Phunk asked if it could have been an issue with the hyperbox to which I replied the above.

I don't know how to say it any clearer than that.

 

[foghat]

Perhaps you should have clarified that when you said 100% identical that you were speaking about the Lund tune being the same on both the x4 and hyperbox. I wasnt the only one who saw it that way either which is why I said what I said about it not being an apples to apples comparison and rather a "box vs x4 thing". But then again im always wrong and I dont know what to think now.

He did and it was clear. You either got confused and/or misread/misunderstood. In post 15 it is clear Beefcake is taking about a Lund tune on 2 different devices.

Regardless of any misunderstanding of what Beefcake said, given the fact that OP was comparing tunes from completely different companies, I am not sure how you came to argue that the device was the issue, let alone take the argument as far as you did.

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