Limp Mode on the Track

[zombiekiller]

See, I admit - I don't know what the temperature is. I'm simply putting an idea out there.

Again, another person who is annoyed that I'd share an opinion. Isn't that what you guys are doing? Laughable.

OK I will be super clear.... no one really cares what your opinion is. No one asked you to weigh it. The situation has zero relevance to you. It doesn'the matter what you think. You are not material to the conversation.

C/n: stfu already.

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[Caballus]

Well you can disagree but that certainly doesn't make it flawed. An opinion can not be flawed.

Ahh. An opportunity to compromise.

Perhaps #1 can be seen as your opinion--that one should accept fault for buying tech vice track.

However, #2 is fact--no one has said they expect the tech to perform as the track. You say that, and people keep correcting you.

 

[zombiekiller]

I don't know. What point does the oil start to break down? 300? I have no basis for comparison.

I do know that without the cooler, the trans stabilizes at around 210F degrees in 70-80F ambient. I did some spirited driving through some twisties for around 10 minutes with the revs around 4-5k and it crept up to 225-230F. More data for everyone.

I actually feel like that is pretty Damn high. Far higher than you'd want an auto trans to get.

Sounds like I need to get an nguage.

 

[stanglife]

OK I will be super clear.... no one really cares what your opinion is. No one asked you to weigh it. The situation has zero relevance to you. It doesn'the matter what you think. You are not material to the conversation.

C/n: stfu already.

So a fellow enthusiast has nothing to add unless they agree with you 100%? I'm sure you have tons of friends, tough guy.

Class act. Added to ignore list.

 

[stanglife]

Ahh. An opportunity to compromise.

Perhaps #1 can be seen as your opinion--that one should accept fault for buying tech vice track.

However, #2 is fact--no one has said they expect the tech to perform as the track. You say that, and people keep correcting you.

Isn't that what we are talking about? Performing like the track pack = not overheating due to the correct coolers being installed? I guess I'm missing something.

 

[Caballus]

So a fellow enthusiast has nothing to add unless they agree with you 100%? I'm sure you have tons of friends, tough guy.

Class act. Added to ignore list.

I'll be your friend, Z-Man :cheers: LOL.

I understand how it feels to spend 60K and get less than what was advertised. You are not looking for anything for free. You are looking for your 60K worth--more than the 15min average your car just got on the track. I get it...friend.

 

[stanglife]

I'll be your friend, Z-Man :cheers: LOL.

A match made in heaven, trust me.

 

[Caballus]

Isn't that what we are talking about? Performing like the track pack = not overheating due to the correct coolers being installed? I guess I'm missing something.

Nope. The track pack can perform all day on the track...indefinite time. The limit has not been announced, and maybe not reached (unless another corporate secret is out there).

What you are missing is the statement that people are making: more than 10-20 minutes and the ability to sustain high speed.

As noted earlier, when talking to FP, I specifically asked if it would do a single lap around the Ring without powering down, and the answer was, "we cannot say that it can." When I asked if I could sustain speed on the Autobahn (much much different than the demands of the Ring), the answer was the same.

So, not looking for a track pack. Of course the track and R models should be better track vehicles with greater endurance than the base or Tech. Looking for a base sports car that was advertised as track capable to handle more than 20 minutes of track time and can handle sustained speeds without powering down. Kinda like a base Mustang of any type can, a base M3 can, a base Hellcat can, a base Camaro can...

I get your point about the owner's manual, but when I look and re-look at all the marketing the message is clear and different from the late entry on page 25.

Edit: the fix does not need to be coolers and can probably be corrected without them. I believe that anything beyond the basic fix stated SHOULD cost extra.

 

[mattlqx]

Isn't that what we are talking about? Performing like the track pack = not overheating due to the correct coolers being installed? I guess I'm missing something.

You're acting like "performance" is a digital thing and not variable with a wide swath of acceptable ranges for varying degrees of preparedness. That's a problem.

 

[Caballus]

A match made in heaven, trust me.

you can join in if you bring the beer...and sign our petition LOL

 

[stanglife]

you can join in if you bring the beer...and sign our petition LOL

Brother - I WILL sign the petition. I'm not kidding. You're right, I have an R on order so it doesn't effect me at this point but at one time - if I was not able to get my R, the tech was the car I would have ordered and I would have likely been in the same exact boat as you guys. I'm definitely empathetic there, simply as a Mustang enthusiast.

Matt summed it up pretty good in this post and I think my reply should let you know how I feel about it.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1094267&postcount=97

 

[Caballus]

Brother - I WILL sign the petition. I'm not kidding. You're right, I have an R on order so it doesn't effect me at this point but at one time - if I was not able to get my R, the tech was the car I would have ordered and I would have likely been in the same exact boat as you guys. I'm definitely empathetic there, simply as a Mustang enthusiast.

Matt summed it up pretty good in this post and I think my reply should let you know how I feel about it.
http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1094267&postcount=97

I just read it and saw that there's plenty of room for agreement.

 

[stanglife]

Edit: the fix does not need to be coolers and can probably be corrected without them. I believe that anything beyond the basic fix stated SHOULD cost extra.

I think we're getting somewhere. If I had ended up with a tech pack - I'd be asking for a discount or fair price on adding the OEM cooling systems for both the trans and diff.

I'm sure someone will come up with the "fix" but I've always preferred OEM for this type of thing.

 

[Spa2k]

So far, I haven't seen a credible analysis of the problem - just a bunch of guessing. At this point, no one really knows if it's a problem. Maybe it's a sensor or wiring problems on the early cars. Maybe it's drivers who use the transmission to brake. Maybe it's the bean counters and market research people at Ford who guessed wrong on how buyers would view (and ultimately use) the Tech Package, which accounts for more than 60% of the build so far.

I suggest everyone remain civil and maintain some level of common sense until we know what the real problem is. The only thing talk of a lawsuit will do is cause Ford Legal to shut down the public's connection to Ford Perfomance. And yes, to use the worst pun I can think of, I do have a horse in this race: My 2016 Tech Package is on the line at Flat Rock now.

 

[Caballus]

I think we're getting somewhere. If I had ended up with a tech pack - I'd be asking for a discount or fair price on adding the OEM cooling systems for both the trans and diff.

I'm sure someone will come up with the "fix" but I've always preferred OEM for this type of thing.

That's where differ--even if you bring great beer (I live in Germany, so it better be super great!).

I honestly think it's Ford's responsibility to make the 'basic' fix. The fix that will get to Matt's point.

You mentioned reading between the lines. I believe you have to read between the lines to conclude that the tech would not be able to live up to Matt's description of basic track capability. A few people have confirmed that by thanking this thread for preventing them from buying a base or tech for that very reason. I've read and re-read to find someplace that they tried to even vaguely make that point. I see the opposite.

And I honestly don't believe when you buy a sports car of this calibre that you should have to dig through the owners manual to find that it can't do what (I believe) was advertised, even if the manual had been published before orders were taken.

Don't sell me a rifle that's supposed to shoot to a thousand meters, then when it fails say, "oh, you didn't see that the manual said you need the heavy barrel version?" I know that's different than your position, but it's how I see it.

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