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[Mr Monte]

So anyone who likes Mustangs now has a mental defect?

Squeaky brakes? Are you kidding me?

All of my vehicles have had these traits. If they were bad, the dealer repaired, it not, I just lived with it.

All 3 of my S197 Mustangs had multiple quality issues. The Dealer bought back my 2010 GT because its problems that Ford would not authorize the repair of known fuel leak issues on early model 2010's and a dangerous brake issue making it unsafe to drive yet I now own a 2013 GT.

Performance brake pads squeak when cold.

The problem is the way Ford is handling or more like not handling these quality issues.

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[icarumba]

So anyone who likes Mustangs now has a mental defect? What I see is 20 people out of 100,000 complaining on here over how the car they bought is the worst car ever made in the history of autos. They qualify it with remarks like they've had cars for 40 years and never had one so bad. 90% of the problems these people list are not even really issues. The other 10% are problems that are to be expected by some portion of cars and that's why you have a warranty. Some of the complaints about panel gaps are ridiculous. A few photos I've seen are bad, but most are just normal gaps you see on any mass produced car and I am very picky. I notice small things, but they are small to me and I don't sweat it.

Squeaky brakes? Are you kidding me? Maybe you should get a Corvette, or Mercedes, or BMW, or wait - those cars have squeaky brakes too. My pleather is too soft and was deformed when an adult put all their weight on a child seat in the car. My paint got road rash or chipped when rocks hit it. Orange peel. Electrical/software issues. Transmission thud.

For people that have claimed to own performance cars, I can't believe these complaints. I've only owned 5 cars, a couple motorcycles, and two of those were performance cars. All of my vehicles have had these traits. If they were bad, the dealer repaired, it not, I just lived with it.

The fact is you bought an econo sports car. It is actually good quality for the price and cars costing 3-5 times as much will still have all these issues. Maybe they should create an anti Mustang forum that you 20 or so can join and talk about how "retarded" all mustang owners are. Oh yeah, there is already a forum for that - camaro6.com

Thanks so much for setting us all straight, Stripler. Please check back in with us after you take delivery of your new Mustang.

 

[rvlyssup]

Please check back in with us after you take delivery of your new Mustang.

Maybe he can buy yours...:lol:

Oh boy, I fucking needed that.:headbonk:

Now I do agree with him about the "mental defect" part...

 

[ridenfish39]

Understood. I am convinced that liking Mustangs is a mild form of retardation. My other Mustang was crap too, but I somehow convinced myself that that was a fluke, and that I wouldn't have those problems again. Sigh...I guess my ex wife was right about me being short bus special...

So true. My 12 was such a piece of shit but I loved the car for what it was....a fast AFFORDABLE sporty car. I figured the 15 would be better. At least my 15 isn't burning a quart of oil every 1000 miles LOL.

 

[icarumba]

Maybe he can buy yours...:lol:

Excellent idea! That would be definitely be a win-win situation. In fact, I will even do his first mod for him; I have a coat hanger that is perfect for a radio antenna upgrade!

I guess the answer was right in front of us the whole time, and we just didn't see it...all we have to do is lower our standards as low as they can go, and everybody will be happy! Easy Peasy. :headbonk: I also now understand why Ford has not yet gone out of business. Apparently, there is a large enough pool of a certain demographic to keep them afloat.

Stripler, please accept my sincerest apologies for not posting this along with my retardation comment; I hope my oversight didn't cause you too much anguish:

 

[Ruby305GT]

Excellent idea! That would be definitely be a win-win situation. In fact, I will even do his first mod for him; I have a coat hanger that is perfect for a radio antenna upgrade!



I guess the answer was right in front of us the whole time, and we just didn't see it...all we have to do is lower our standards as low as they can go, and everybody will be happy! Easy Peasy. :headbonk: I also now understand why Ford has not yet gone out of business. Apparently, there is a large enough pool of a certain demographic to keep them afloat.



Stripler, please accept my sincerest apologies for not posting this along with my retardation comment; I hope my oversight didn't cause you too much anguish:

Yes, yes and yes. Did I say, yes? I don't know why I didn't stick with my gut and go Infiniti... My wife is not only upset at me, but reminds me almost daily.


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[icarumba]

Yes, yes and yes. Did I say, yes? I don't know why I didn't stick with my gut and go Infiniti... My wife is not only upset at me, but reminds me almost daily.


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LOL...here is a frequent conversation at my house:

Me: "My Mustang is crap".

Wife: "Wasn't your other Mustang crap too?"

Me: "Yes ma'am".

Wife: "Are you seeing a pattern start to emerge here?"

Me: "No ma'am".

Wife: "Still sharp as a marble, aren't you?"

Me: "Yes ma'am."

 

[GT Pony]

^^^ Better saying that about cars instead of wives.

 

[icarumba]

^^^ Better saying that about cars instead of wives.

Agreed. It is forbidden anyway... :lol:

 

[GT Pony]

^^^ A few good "test drives" and all seems good ... but they don't even come with a warranty when things blow up! :doh:

 

[FordService]

Lol...thanks Deysha..I'll send you a marked up copy. :-)

Will do, icarumba! :lol:

Deysha

 

[icarumba]

Will do, icarumba! :lol:

Deysha

I'd like to put the Ford bashing on pause for a few seconds to give them some kudos. The one thing they have gotten right so far is having a social media presence on this and other forums.

This has really been the only part of the Ford ownership experience that seems to work the way it should. Interacting with a live person helps to mitigate some of the aggravation of dealing with a faceless, bumbling bureaucracy.

And no, I'm not just sucking up. FordService was a big help when I first started having issues, but my case has been escalated beyond their scope; insincere flattery wouldn't make any difference at this point.

So thanks to all of you at FordService! We appreciate your help, and most of us realize that you can only do so much for us before the pointy-haired idiots in the ivory tower say "Naw...fuck 'em. They're only customers. We already have their money anyway".

 

[MagneticA]

If you're not concerned by now, you're either a fanboi or just not paying attention.

Or have a perfectly put-together, kick-ass car.

 

[MagneticA]

I totally agree with you that the onus is on Ford to fix whatever is wrong. Sure, I could drop a grand on getting a new aftermarket driveshaft installed, but I sure as hell am not going to. If a restaurant serves you a cheeseburger with a slice of rotten tomato on it, and then says "Chill dude..they're all like that", are you going to just say: "Oh, that's ok. I'll stop at the store on the way home and pick up a fresh tomato"??? Yeah...not happening.

I now honestly believe that Ford rushed a half-baked Mustang to market just so they could have a new model out for the 50th anniversary. I think it was a poor choice on their part to put out an underdeveloped product just so they wouldn't be embarrassed by missing the big birthday celebration. It looks like that lapse in judgement is now starting to come back to bite them in the butt.

And the defects are not even the worst part. The worst part is - as you mentioned - the "they all do that" attitude. First of all, they don't all do that; with regard to the drive line defect, I have personally driven two 2015s that were fine. Secondly, if Ford really believes that "they all do that"...well then, here's an idea:

Shut down the freakin' assembly line until you understand how to make cars that don't do that!

And the universally accepted excuse that "all new models are going to have problems in their first year" is only valid up to a point. Sure, that's the way it was in the olden days, but in an age where the car can be designed and tested in a virtual environment before the first prototype is built, bringing a product to market with major flaws is absolutely inexcusable. A little glitch here and there is inevitable and acceptable, but what we are seeing here is not. TWO recalls on the EB in the first few months of production? No. Grumpy Cat and I do not accept that. Both of those things should have been vetted during prototype testing.

Mazda is a tiny company compared to Ford, and yet all five of my Mazdas were free of major defects for the entire time I owned them. My last one was the best yet; the only problem of any kind I ever had with it was a minor one on a dealer-installed Mazda accessory.

Ironically, two of my Mazda 6s were built at the Flat Rock Assembly Plant, right on the same line as the last generation Mustang, back when Ford owned part of Mazda. I guarantee you that the line workers knew that if they did a half-assed job screwing together a Mazda, they were going to hear about it. It's a damn shame that a little bit of that Mazda pride didn't rub off on the Ford management.

So yes, it can be done. And yes, it can be done (profitably) on a sub-$30,000 car. All it takes is the desire to do it right, and the mindset that "good enough" is not good enough.

I really, really hope that somebody of responsibility at Ford is embarrassed enough by this ongoing epic QC fail to kick some ass and get this train wreck cleaned up. They have a real gem of a sports car here, and it just kills me to see it ruined by their "screw-you-we-already-have-your-money" attitude.

I don't care what you buy - when it is mass produced there will be a % with issues. Make sure to vet your dealer before you buy so you have confidence in the customer service over the life of the warranty. No need to dump on an entire company because a few folks ended up with the % of cars that inevitably have issues. Were this the commonly practiced way we'd have no reputable companies. Recalls, by the way, are a good thing... especially when made in a timely manner. I'd be much more annoyed if recalls didn't happen until injury/death forced a company's hand.

Listen, some people get the short end of the stick. That's life. I'm not saying it's fair. But it's on you how you respond to those situations. Because in the end, happiness depends upon ourselves.

 

[stangdan26]

I don't care what you buy - when it is mass produced there will be a % with issues..

^^This.

My buddy was always on my case about the issues in my 13' until his S65 had noisey/pulsating brakes and a bad clutch pack in the tranny @17k.

$100k+ car, hand built motor, top QC in the business maybe even the world and a month in the shop.

Happens to the best of em'

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