Unless licensed by Ford we are all doing something we shouldn't.
its ok if you want to do that with HP tuners or SCT. I dont see it as "ok" with proprietary lund stuff.
Lunds tunes (and most tunes) are not proprietary, they can’t be because they are not covered by any IP law. You can’t patent something that is built on top of hacked/pirated software.
So what I got from this is you had someone from juggernaut draw the Lund file from your car, make a few changes (patch) then re-upload the tune.so I wasn’t really going to post hear more but I did see where somebody mentioned both sides to a story so I’m going to send a few screenshots to put in context the idiocy from over there
The first thing you have to remember again my car was running perfect at the track where Lund racing was on site to see everything. We overnight a larger turbo, bolt it on no other changes other than the larger turbo, and the computer starts resetting itself. now keep in mind this text is from June. This is eight months since this issue first started.
Every time the PCM resets itself you see the timing spike to like 35° you see the air fuel go to like .90 lambda.
Keep in mind the car is making 1400 wheel
How many people think that of cars making 1400 wheel and you should’ve 35° a timing at it and lean it out, it’s going to live more than a pass? it wouldn’t.
As soon as Matt, looked at the date and he said that’s false data
matt said your PCM is not seeing those air fuel ratio’s. He said your PCM is in a reboot process. It’s nothing like what Lund is saying. for him to even think you could make that much timing with that lien of an air fuel ratio together is just retarded.
If you look, Jr also said that the maf signal is dropping out causing load to spike. all of which was not the case. Just shows for people who think they’re so smart and know everything that they didn’t have a clue what was going on with this car they just spent 10 months telling me to keep throwing money at it and it’s a mechanical issue and to deal with it
in addition to say that the PCM does not know boost is also retarded
No, it doesn’t know exact boost numbers, but it does no airflow because the math is increasing so it does know boost
By adding the larger turbo, we were moving so much boost/airflow same thing. That the PCM was reaching a limiter that Ford said it could not reach.
Same thing I’ve been talking to Lund about for months and he just kept totally dismissing
So the tuner that had not tuned in 10 years was exactly right different guy than Matt, but was exactly right with what the issue was and he never even seen one single log on the car a simple 30 second conversation. He knew what it was. , not the exact issue parameter, but knew the issue was the PCM resetting for hitting a limit
once Matt was able to figure out the issue, he was able to ride a patch into the software to wear that parameter could be changed
Similar to this last issue with the transbrake, where they found a parameter that had not been mapped out, figured out what it was, and changed it
But we share that info with the tunin companies so that they can add it as a parameter that everybody can use now
there are always two sides just in this case their side is complete morons amd dismissive and “known good file”. “not chasing with a tune
but here’s the funniest thing at the end of the day if they had just said well I’m glad you got it figured out, we were wrong. We probably should’ve spent more time with it. We all could’ve just moved on.
But instead they sent their lap dog out online to start bashing me, they went behind my back to Hp Tuners try to get me cut off. All because they were upset that someone fixed something they couldn’t fix
It’s childishness at its best
AMEN brother. First couple lines of your post 100%. Lund is an ass. NEVER EVER use lund again. Use Juggernaut or Wengerd. Period.flores is an idiot and moron and a LIAR
if lund spent more time taking care of customers than whining online they would be much better off.
we dropped them like a hot potatoe last year.
after sending them over a million $ in revenue, i couldn’t take it any more.
their condescending attitude. better than everyone and consistently blaming “mechanical issue” so they don’t have to actually tune a car.
anyone who thinks matt can’t tune doesn’t have a clue. matt is one of the most intelligent people i have met in this industry.
not only does matt tune. he is an engineer and coder.
more experienced than anyone lund has under the roof. his level of knowledge makes flores look elementary school at best.
let’s get them on a show together…. it would be hilarious.
10 months and my car had an issue that arose as soon as we put the larger turbo on it. the pcm was shutting itself down and resetting itself.
Just so everyone understands what happened at md nationals two years ago we overnighted a bigger turbo, put it on the car, and the minute we started making more power with the bigger turbo the computer started shutting itself down
for 10 months we troubleshooting “mechanical issues “. Lund refused to look at it as the tune because it was “a known good file “
They are the king of copy pasters.
How many 2018 BL fabrication single turbo 104 Fore Innovations fuel system FIC 2150 built engine cars are you tuning. You’re turning one, so how can I be a known good file
They had me jump through hoops for 10 months, replace multiple things for thousands of dollars and my crew chief diagnosing the car replacing things thousands and thousands of dollars thousands of dollars traveling trying things that never worked
I spoke to a Tuner that hasn’t tuned anything since like 2010 never even tune a coyote
I’ll talk to him maybe 30 seconds explaining what was going on and instantly he told me that we were hitting a critical limiter
What that limit or is he said he didn’t know. But the PCM is reaching some kind of limit that it should not be able to reach and it’s causing it to shut down
Funny thing was after everything was down and figure it out and that was what the issue was. Lund Senior told me yeah I know that guy he’s not that smart.
I’m thinking to myself with your son was working on the car for 10 months and didn’t have a clue and this guy figured it out 30 seconds at least knew where to look
Anyway, after talking to multiple tuners with Mod, refuse to acknowledge, it was a tunin issue. Matt offered to fly up, look at the car, and he was confident he could figure out whether it was a mechanical or a tune issue.
after spending the day with us on the Dino and the issue being very reputable, Lincoln says that he was convinced it was a tune issue
He took all the data back with him to Florida, took about a week week and a half, but he was able to figure out the issue, right a patch into the software and fix the issue
We instantly were running the 10th and a half quicker than we’ve ever ran with Lund tooting the car not only that I was able to throw like another 8 pounds of boost at it in second gear. We’re lunds tune would just flair and not be able to shift.
Fast forward to the new control pack car that we done on the 2015
We went untested to our first race, and we had a problem where the car would not go above 3500 on the transbrake, or with shift gears while you were on the transbrake
So we brought the car back home and went to work trying to diagnose the issue
Matt again went into the coding in the programming looking for things that weren’t mapped out in Sct or Hp Tuners
He was able to find the perimeter. It took about a week and a half, but he found it, mapped it out. It was able to write it into the programming and fix the issue.
The funny thing is lund knew we were having the issue because I never really hide anything and posted about it
Of course they make a post on their forum showing cars with control packs launching above whatever RPM like they’re so smarter than everybody else with hashtags referencing 3500 taking shots at matt.
The funniest thing about all of that, a kid that is a big lund nut swinger commented on one of my posts
He is the one that first had the issue with Control pack two years ago. He had the exact same issue we were we’re having.
The funniest thing is he even private messaged me telling me how great Lund was because after he got with Ford racing when Lund couldn’t figure it out and Ford sent him data logging equipment to try to figure out the issue and then he specifically told me that Ford Racing sent Lund what they needed to change so that his trans brake would work with his control pack
so Lund is basically taking shots about how great they are with their tuning because they basically don’t have an issue that we were having
When they had the exact same issue in Ford racing, had to give them an answer lol
Meanwhile, in just about a week and a half Mattwas able to code it out, figure it out himself through trial and error, and get the car working correctly
And I even made a post about how we were sending the information to Sct and to Hp Tuners to make the information public so if anybody else had the issue, they knew where to find it at
And so that the software companies could make the changes live to wear it didn’t have to be coded in
In addition after the first issue, and I told Lund that Matt fixed the car and it was a tunin issue
He immediately went behind the scenes, trying to get Tuner’s not to sell devices to me and get me blacklisted from the company
All while still being a dealer for them
Very underhanded and very shady and I have the phone call where I got Lund to admit it over the phone
The tuning community used to be a great community. We’re all the Tuner’s got along, and they all shared info.
The problem is lund fell out of grace with most of those tuners because they got a big head and thought they were better than everybody else
I personally just didn’t feel comfortable, sending another dollar to them
So after over $1 million of revenue generated for Lund I cut ties
I’d rather not make the money, then send them another cent.
Juggernaut has been doing an excellent job for us there half the price of a lund tune and Matt goes out of his way to take care of the customers
I will put Matts ’s résumé up against 99% of the Tuner’s in the country
I would love to put lund Senior Junior and Flores in the same room with a tunin issue that is it mapped out that you have to figure out on your own and see who does it first
why doesn’t somebody ask lund who wrote their entire back end software? guess what. it was matt, why him and not jr. becuse hes smarter than them
why do you think Lund recruited him? Because he’s one of the best out there
and also…. feel free to ask me how many different stock files lund had me suck off when I was working at the Ford dealership……..
The fact that the EPA shut down Lund when/after Matt worked there is proof enough for me that he was an EPA plant!
There is no public record of Lund paying any fines. It was soon after Lund got raided MAK and others stopped producing test pipes. Header companies started to only sell catted headers.........
Here is the email and the response from SCT when we sent them the info last month. Something of note.... You'll see Aaron mentioned that Juggernaut is setup as R&D allowing them to add custom parameters....
