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For now.. GM dumped almost a billion dollars into the next gen ICE V-8.
9:1 odds it'll come back with a Z-28.
I saw an article that had an interview with a higher up from GM. Basically hinted that Camaro may come back at some point but he was talking about their TT 4 banger in the same breath. Take that for what you will
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Take that for what you will
Interesting. However if they do come out with a manual trans Z-28, I'm buying it.
 

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I don't entirely agree or disagree but I have been hearing the same type of thing on every mustang refresh since I drove an 80s foxbody. If each one is true I might as well have kept stopped 1996 GT😂 lord no...

Power creep is typically gradual. Sometimes a few larger then normal bumps. But that's like every product and company.

Weight has gone up certainly over the years, but so to has the power to rate ratio in most (not all) instances.

Considering EPA rules have been more stringent than ever, even small power gains from same or similar platform can be more impressive than people give credit for. Cars are getting heavier rules are getting more difficult but cars are still mostly getting faster and more efficient.

Just my 2 cents. I know it doesn't apply to every single car and examples exist to the contrary
Things certainly have changed. My old '71 Mach 1 with the base 302 tipped the scale at 3200 lbs. while my current '20 base GT is 3700 lbs. However, beyond that, everything is better with the '20. It's very comfortable to drive/ride and handles great even over 100 mph where it doesn't feel like it (my '71 at that speed would scare the sh** out of me as it didn't feel as stable). The fact that my current car gives me 29 mpg on long cruise drives is incredible compared to the 16 mpg of my '71, all with much, much cleaner exhaust emissions and all the safety improvements for occupants. I miss my '71 for nostalgic reasons but I am quite happy with my base '20.
 

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Chevy focused on handling/chassis and lightened the Camaro for the 6th Gen version...what Ford should have done on S650. The 6th GEN Camaro was a beast even though they didn't change much in power if at all through the gen...only high spec Mustangs even came close to it in handling/chassis aspects. Even though it was down on power (well not torque), it handled so well that its numbers were as good if not better across most trims and track tests. I know...Camaro is dead, but that seemed to be more due to stupid decisions they made on styling and some livability issues. From my own foxhole, I wish Ford had grabbed the engineers that did the software work for the 10 speed auto in the Camaro. Ford screwed that up royally compared to the Camaro guys. They even get the hold left paddle feature to select lowest gear and S650 still didn't get it. Same damn transmission.
Not exactly. GM developed the Alpha chassis in the Cadillac division and passed said chassis to the Camaro. They designed the body to fit the chassis. It got smaller due to the chassis GM had already proven on much more expensive CTS cars.
 

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Not exactly. GM developed the Alpha chassis in the Cadillac division and passed said chassis to the Camaro. They designed the body to fit the chassis. It got smaller due to the chassis GM had already proven on much more expensive CTS cars.
Not sure I agree with deducting points from Camaro just because GM was able to cascade tech down from Cadillac. Guess it is unfortunate that Lincoln sucks. GM still developed that chassis...and a PDR/heads up should have been an easy add for S650.
 

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Line up a 6R80 S197 GT next to a 10R80 S550 GT at the dragstrip and you'll see the progress.
^100%.

Line up an S197 6R80 GT next to a 10R80 2.3L HPP and the S197 will be left in the dust - I own one of both; can confirm how transformational the 10R80 is for raw acceleration. Now, shift quality? That’s another story.
 

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My question is.... Where does the corvette go from here? The Stingray can't evolve much if they want to keep the same price point. Which is already past a GT Premium. All those improvements are going to keep raising the average starting price... And the age of the driver's too.

Plus... Who cares about a corvette? I've never had anyone driving one try to race me.. They just hard park.
Majority are old guys around here, I have had 3 want to play with me, two C6s and one C8 (female driver), they all got the gap sauce. The one I actually stopped and talked to was H/C/I, he said 500 to the wheels (I am not a corvette guy so I have to take his word), he was a cool dude... I gave him a massive hit and reeled him in and started putting lengths on him, he actually caught that on camera.
 

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1985 - 215hp
1987-1995 - 225hp
1996-1998 - 215-225hp
Decent bump up
1999-2004 - 265hp
2005-2010 - 300hp (but the car got bigger etc so not much of a bump)
Big bump up
2011-2014 - 412hp
2015-2017 - 435hp (car gained weight so not really a bump)
Decent bump up
2018-2023 - 460hp (drivetrain improvements as well)
2024 - 480hp (very minor bump up)
Just to show that, even though weight has continuously gone up, power has gone up more than proportionally. I'll use trap speeds for GT (not specialty models like the Boss302 or DH) and 5-6 speed manuals (mostly comparable and a function of power to weight ratio), from Car and Driver (consistent, corrected method):
1985 (4bbl 5.0 HO): 91 mph
1987 (SMFI 5.0 HO): 94
1996 (2-valve modular 4.6): 93
1999 (2-valve modular 4.6): 98 (that's a guess/calculation based on power to weight, I don't have the actual data)
05-10 (3-valve modular 4.6 w/ vvt): 103-105
11-14 (gen 1 coyote): 108-111
15-17 (gen 2 coyote): 112-113
18-23 (gen 3 coyote): 114-115
24 (gen 4 coyote): 114

I'd call that progress over the years. The S650 jumped quite a bit in base weight which negated its power bump. Now that the Camaro and Challenger are gone I don't know how motivated Ford will be to invest in bumping up the gen4 power in the coming years...
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