Informal Survey: Who in here is signed up/using Ford Pass?

[Bullittproof]

thanks Buldawg76 and Bikeman315, I see what you are telling me, that will definitely be helpful to me

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[Garfy]

I honestly don’t know, but it makes sense that it would likely hold/show the last registered pressures. I can say from my experience that when performing a seasonal tire change the ‘just-installed’ assemblies the TOMSs need a good ride around the block to wake them up, but, I am referring to what is likely previous generation sensors that needed to be re-matched to the vehicle.

Yes, the pressure readings on the app is from the last time you drove the car as they don't send new data packets while motionless in your garage. Even when driving, the sensors only periodically transmit data unless there's a sudden change in pressure in which case it immediately transmits a data packet. I know this because when my Honda hit a bad pothole that blew out the sidewall, the TPMS light immediately came on and I felt a definite pull to the side of the blown tire. Even current sensors (for my 2020) requires programming the ID into the computer if you replace them. When you rotate the tires, you need to reprogram the position of the sensors otherwise the pressure reading will be in error for the particular position. Frankly I was surprised that the dealer tech actually did that when they rotated my tires (I note down the IDs and location and after the rotation found that the positions changed; I have a TPMS tool that can activate and read the sensor ID, battery status, pressure, etc.) BTW, the sensors may or may not be accurate in that they could vary by a pound or more which is why the manual tells you to not rely on the readings as the actual pressure, but to check them with an accurate tire gauge.

 

[Bullittproof]

Understood, Garfy, I have been relying on an accurate analog gauge with a cloth-covered hose, I guess the app is only okay for detecting a failure that would cause further damage without its early detection, but isn’t a substitute for accurate ‘hands-on’ readings.

 

[TonyNJ]

Short of being a tinfoil hat wearer (apologies to any tinfoil hat wearers) you're not getting tracked by fordpass anymore than you were by your phone, this (or any) website, etc.

I used my 40k fordpass points from my Mustang (and my Bronco) to pay for the 8 year (I think) extended factory warranty

Yea. I'm sitting on a grip of points from over the years. Probably should do what you did with them.

I like the app for starting and unlocking the car and seeing its location and battery life, etc.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yes, the pressure readings on the app is from the last time you drove the car as they don't send new data packets while motionless in your garage.

Gary, this is not correct, at least for the Mustang. See my post #57.

 

[Buldawg76]

I rotate my own tires and can also confirm that the TPMS for tire location does not need reprogrammed on any ford product. I have had 4 different fords and never had any issue or seen a tech reprogram for a tire rotation.

BD

 

[Johnnybee]

I rotate my own tires and can also confirm that the TPMS for tire location does not need reprogrammed on any ford product. I have had 4 different fords and never had any issue or seen a tech reprogram for a tire rotation.

BD

That has been my experience as well, with OEM sensors. When I swap to the winter rubber it takes a bit of time, but they connect without me doing anything, and both sets get rotated each time they are installed.

 

[RacingRoger]

Interesting thread. But I didn't see any comments on something I'm wondering about...
I don't think Apple or T-Mobile or (insert tech co here) is going to run to Ford and say "We have data that the car is being"abused".
However, if I go in to Ford for warranty work, what are the chances that Ford is going to say, "Herr RacingRoger, Ve see dat you hast been operating your vehickle in a most unacceptable manner; derefore ze warranty work vill be DENIED."
In all actuality, what are the chances Ford, based on FordPass data, will use it against me?
Or you?

 

[Buldawg76]

Interesting thread. But I didn't see any comments on something I'm wondering about...
I don't think Apple or T-Mobile or (insert tech co here) is going to run to Ford and say "We have data that the car is being"abused".
However, if I go in to Ford for warranty work, what are the chances that Ford is going to say, "Herr RacingRoger, Ve see dat you hast been operating your vehickle in a most unacceptable manner; derefore ze warranty work vill be DENIED."
In all actuality, what are the chances Ford, based on FordPass data, will use it against me?
Or you?

Thats a good question but I don't think it will be from any info they get from the ford pass app but rather from the telematics module in the trunk of our cars that ford uses to collect and data mine our info to sell to third party marketers.

Ford and all vehicle manufacturers in today's world have telematics modules in them that transmit loads of GPS and tons of other data back to them for all sorts of purposes.

It all part of the technological world we live in now. Big brother is always watching.

BD

 

[AMC401V8]

I do not have a Fordpass account and the fuse for the telematics system is removed. Everyone gets to choose how they handle the situation and make the decision that makes them most comfortable.

I don't daily drive my car. The location of my car and my phone are two separate issues. If the location and speed of my phone were being tracked, it would likely have nothing to do with my Mustang.

Nonetheless, my car is ghost as far as data being sent to Ford or anyone else. By choice. I'm obviously missing out on the benefits that Fordpass provides but this was the decision that I'm most comfortable with.

I'm not here to argue the benefits of one over the other. The most important thing is that you get to make the decision on your own, nobody gets to make the decision for you. Whatever you decide I hope it turns out best for you.

 

[Buldawg76]

I do not have a Fordpass account and the fuse for the telematics system is removed. Everyone gets to choose how they handle the situation and make the decision that makes them most comfortable.

I don't daily drive my car. The location of my car and my phone are two separate issues. If the location and speed of my phone were being tracked, it would likely have nothing to do with my Mustang.

Nonetheless, my car is ghost as far as data being sent to Ford or anyone else. By choice. I'm obviously missing out on the benefits that Fordpass provides but this was the decision that I'm most comfortable with.

I'm not here to argue the benefits of one over the other. The most important thing is that you get to make the decision on your own, nobody gets to make the decision for you. Whatever you decide I hope it turns out best for you.

There is a thread on here about the telematics fuse/module and it is somewhat undecided if just pulling the fuse is enough to disable the system or if the module connector also needs to be disconnected.

In today's world you are on camera or satellite imagery almost everywhere you go any way.

I do agree it should be up to the owners as to when and if ford can data mine your info.

BD

 

[Bikeman315]

This is just a PSA for those concerned about what FordPass collects and shares. Personally I do give a sh-t but certainly agree that everyone should have a choice.
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[AMC401V8]

I took delivery of my car in the third quarter of 2020. The "let's get your Fordpass account activated" bullshit started on delivery day. I declined. Removed the telematics fuse 15 minutes later.

On November of 2022 I took the car in for the rear camera recall. This was the first time the car had ever been back to the dealership. Service advisor initially looked confused while looking at the screen and stated that there was zero information collected on the car. I told her that was correct, that the vehicle belonged to me and that all non-warranty maintenance was being performed by me and logged. The car only has 4700 miles.

She then stated that something was not right in her view, that there should be information populated in a specified area in the service software she was utilizing, that she had never seen this area empty and that she would have a tech look into it. I told her that the telematics system on my car was disabled the day of delivery and not to worry about it, as I had disabled it by choice.

The recall was taken care of in about 20 minutes and I drove away. This experience doesn't really "prove" anything at all, it was interesting though.

There is a thread on here about the telematics fuse/module and it is somewhat undecided if just pulling the fuse is enough to disable the system or if the module connector also needs to be disconnected.

BD

 

[Buldawg76]

I took delivery of my car in the third quarter of 2020. The "let's get your Fordpass account activated" bullshit started on delivery day. I declined. Removed the telematics fuse 15 minutes later.

On November of 2022 I took the car in for the rear camera recall. This was the first time the car had ever been back to the dealership. Service advisor initially looked confused while looking at the screen and stated that there was zero information collected on the car. I told her that was correct, that the vehicle belonged to me and that all non-warranty maintenance was being performed by me and logged. The car only has 4700 miles.

She then stated that something was not right in her view, that there should be information populated in a specified area in the service software she was utilizing, that she had never seen this area empty and that she would have a tech look into it. I told her that the telematics system on my car was disabled the day of delivery and not to worry about it, as I had disabled it by choice.

The recall was taken care of in about 20 minutes and I drove away. This experience doesn't really "prove" anything at all, it was interesting though.

I was not aware that the dealership personnel had any access to that info and most certainly not service dept. I have a good relationship with my dealer so next time I am there I am going to inquire about it.

Good info to know.

BD

 

[Bikeman315]

I took delivery of my car in the third quarter of 2020. The "let's get your Fordpass account activated" bullshit started on delivery day. I declined. Removed the telematics fuse 15 minutes later.

On November of 2022 I took the car in for the rear camera recall. This was the first time the car had ever been back to the dealership. Service advisor initially looked confused while looking at the screen and stated that there was zero information collected on the car. I told her that was correct, that the vehicle belonged to me and that all non-warranty maintenance was being performed by me and logged. The car only has 4700 miles.

She then stated that something was not right in her view, that there should be information populated in a specified area in the service software she was utilizing, that she had never seen this area empty and that she would have a tech look into it. I told her that the telematics system on my car was disabled the day of delivery and not to worry about it, as I had disabled it by choice.

The recall was taken care of in about 20 minutes and I drove away. This experience doesn't really "prove" anything at all, it was interesting though.

What really would have been interesting to know is what the dealer was able to see. Would have loved to see a screenshot of the monitor.

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