Heat Soak:( Intercooler?

[bam88]

Differences between all of them come down to the size of the core. Size directly effects pressure drop and max flow. Larger the core the more it will flow however you will have a larger pressure drop. Pressure drop to the untrained eye will look or feel like lag as it takes the turbo more time to to fill a larger volume with the same pressure of air. If you plan to stay under the 550whp range then MAP and Mishi are the better choices as there will be less pressure drop and the turbo will be more responsive. End tank design also plays a factor in pressure drop as you want air to enter and exit as smooth as possible while also utilizing the entire core.

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[BigCatDan]

Differences between all of them come down to the size of the core. Size directly effects pressure drop and max flow. Larger the core the more it will flow however you will have a larger pressure drop. Pressure drop to the untrained eye will look or feel like lag as it takes the turbo more time to to fill a larger volume with the same pressure of air. If you plan to stay under the 550whp range then MAP and Mishi are the better choices as there will be less pressure drop and the turbo will be more responsive. End tank design also plays a factor in pressure drop as you want air to enter and exit as smooth as possible while also utilizing the entire core.

Ok excellent info. I def want the least pressure drop. I was considering MAP and ATM. How does ATM fit in this scheme?

 

[bam88]

Ok excellent info. I def want the least pressure drop. I was considering MAP and ATM. How does ATM fit in this scheme?

ATM has a larger stepped core design. I have been watching their thread and their end tank design is pretty good for equal distribution but it is still a larger core that takes more to fill. It is middle ground between MAP and MMR or FFTEC. I did some number crunching a while back and I think I found MAP to have the lowest pressure drop.

 

[rgingo]

Thanks to you all on this thread.... it is very informative. Living in Texas, the upgrade of the intercooler is a must, and even more so combined with a tune. I too think the MAP or Mishimoto looks optimal for sporty driving and non-racing. I am also still checking out the charge pipes/kit. If they are really a meaningful improvement over stock, they should be installed at the same time.

 

[JerseyDevil]

ATM has a larger stepped core design. I have been watching their thread and their end tank design is pretty good for equal distribution but it is still a larger core that takes more to fill. It is middle ground between MAP and MMR or FFTEC. I did some number crunching a while back and I think I found MAP to have the lowest pressure drop.

There's a lot more to volume in regards to pressure drop, end tank design as well as core type in regards to charge row leith, fin density, row height, and shape leading into the core as well as AIT temp control all affect pressure drop.
-Our end tanks are cast and internally are rounded and shaped to flow into the the upper core
-our header bars are round and flow more efficiently than flat bars
-we use a high internal fin density so a lot of the perceived volume is actually the heat exchange fins.
-our charge row length is shorter than stock
-the better an intercooler is at ait temp control the worse pressure drop it will have as cold air is denser and will ultimately have a lower outlet pressure due to lower temp all else being equal, this is the one aspect of pressure drop that one shouldn't penalize the intercooler for when looking at raw #'s.

We are shipping out a few of these this week so there should be some INDEPENDANT user reviews coming up. We will also be posting extensive data and welcome the same tests by our end users, our preliminary testing shows only a 4-8 degree temp rise over starting temp in a 2-3-4 gear run
We have a few left available this production run if anyone is interested!

 

[bam88]

There's a lot more to volume in regards to pressure drop, end tank design as well as core type in regards to charge row leith, fin density, row height, and shape leading into the core as well as AIT temp control all affect pressure drop.
-Our end tanks are cast and internally are rounded and shaped to flow into the the upper core
-our header bars are round and flow more efficiently than flat bars
-we use a high internal fin density so a lot of the perceived volume is actually the heat exchange fins.
-our charge row length is shorter than stock
-the better an intercooler is at ait temp control the worse pressure drop it will have as cold air is denser and will ultimately have a lower outlet pressure due to lower temp all else being equal, this is the one aspect of pressure drop that one shouldn't penalize the intercooler for when looking at raw #'s.

We are shipping out a few of these this week so there should be some INDEPENDANT user reviews coming up. We will also be posting extensive data and welcome the same tests by our end users, our preliminary testing shows only a 4-8 degree temp rise over starting temp in a 2-3-4 gear run
We have a few left available this production run if anyone is interested!

What are you guys seeing for pressure drop across inlet to outlet?

 

[JerseyDevil]

What are you guys seeing for pressure drop across inlet to outlet?

We are about to do all those tests, typically our designs have better pressure drop than the stock IC... Sorry it's taking us this long we ordered all new sensors to deal with the higher than weve ever seen stock IC AIT. Then we got hit with tornados in NJ came through our area and did some damage so we've been on cleanup duty....

Heres a pic of our F30 BMW cooler vs stock in a 1-2-3-4 drag race scenario, the car is approx 300hp and has a similar design IC to the Ecoboost albeit it works better. Our Ecoboost IC is a little larger than the BMW so it can flow about 70more hp ultimately but this is what can be expected, as you can see at this power level there is very little pressure drop as the design isn't even being pushed yet, we recently had a customer test it on his 600hp 335i and he saw 1.4psi pressure drop.

 

[ecolulz]

I'm doing an intercooler before a tune, and I already have the downpipe. I like to prepare the car for the tune before adding more heat to the system. My Mishi IC should come today, will advise. It's well over 100 deg here in AZ, should be an excellent test.

 

[bam88]

We are about to do all those tests, typically our designs have better pressure drop than the stock IC... Sorry it's taking us this long we ordered all new sensors to deal with the higher than weve ever seen stock IC AIT. Then we got hit with tornados in NJ came through our area and did some damage so we've been on cleanup duty....

Fair enough I am curious to see your results as your design appears to be top notch. Personally I will be going in a different direction based on price and ease of install as this is my daily that I want to make fun while I dump all my other money into my rally car. I also don't see outrageous temps and see snow for 6 months of the year.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Fair enough I am curious to see your results as your design appears to be top notch. Personally I will be going in a different direction based on price and ease of install as this is my daily that I want to make fun while I dump all my other money into my rally car. I also don't see outrageous temps and see snow for 6 months of the year.

Rally car and snow 6 months a year sounds like fun!

 

[2015-MUSTANG]

MMR seems to have the largest IC. I assume the bigger the better???

 

[bam88]

MMR seems to have the largest IC. I assume the bigger the better???

Bigger is not always better. You want to size the intercooler based on the turbo you plan on running in the future. Intercooler designs differ in not only size but fin density and end tank design. What you need to look at and compare is pressure drop, flow rate, and cooling ability.

 

[2015-MUSTANG]

Would you still get most of the advantages of the IC even without the upgraded piping?

 

[MAPerformance]

Would you still get most of the advantages of the IC even without the upgraded piping?

Absolutely! The intercooler is what the advantage really comes from. The intercooler piping does help performance wise and aesthetically. However the biggest gain from aftermarket piping such as ours is getting rid of the factory ANNOYING BPV.

 

[Saluki_stang]

I am patiently awaiting the arrival of my MAP intercooler. Good thing it hasn't got above 85 in Ohio! accessport is next

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