GT350 vs. Z/28

[Trackaholic]

What do guys think how the new gt350 will hang with a corvette stingray with the z51 performance package? Assuming similar price range? I don't even know why we are not comparing a gt350r to a zo7 vette either?

I think there was another thread (maybe in the GT350 section) talking about anticipated 1/4 mile times.

I don't remember my exact prediction, but I believe it was the high 11s.

So, here is another prediction that may or may not match my old one:

Weight for GT350 = 3700 lbs
Power = 535
1/4 Mile = 11.9 @ 118

I think the Vette will be a little faster due to having a better weight distribution (for a better launch), better aero, and due to having an automatic that allows more consistency and faster shifts.

The Z06 will be much faster, but that's OK.

-T

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[9secondko]

I remember how the 13 GT500 was first mentioned.

"over 600 hp"

Then 650

Then 662.

Be sweet if this plays out anywhere near that type of jump.

 

[thePill]

The GT350's Power to Weight ratio was leaked again in New York. In Detroit, Ford hinted at a P2W ratio for the GT350R. It has approximately the same P2W ratio as the previous Porsche 911 GT3 of 6.63.

However, since Detroit, most numbers have improved to some degree although nothing drastic. If Ford keeps finding the power of the Voodoo, the P2W ratio could have improved...


...which is absolutely needed to keep up with a GT3. The WB:T ratio is great, overall curb weight is low, 40/60 like balance.... Lots of advantage areas on the 911.

 

[Taneras]

Yeah, don't listen to me, somebody who has owned a number of Mustangs, including two modern GT500's and a 2013 Boss 302, as well as several performance vehicles from GM and Chrysler in the past 15 years. I'm just a Ford fanboy who agrees with everyone's opinions as long as they are pro-Ford!

Please.

When you lay into someone for giving ThePill reasonable criticisms and imply that they have mental issues for simply posting their opinions on a public forum you give off that vibe.

Oh but you owned a lot of cars from different manufacturers, so yea you can totally diagnose people over the internet.

 

[Taneras]

I think there was another thread (maybe in the GT350 section) talking about anticipated 1/4 mile times.

I don't remember my exact prediction, but I believe it was the high 11s.

So, here is another prediction that may or may not match my old one:

Weight for GT350 = 3700 lbs
Power = 535
1/4 Mile = 11.9 @ 118

I think the Vette will be a little faster due to having a better weight distribution (for a better launch), better aero, and due to having an automatic that allows more consistency and faster shifts.

The Z06 will be much faster, but that's OK.

-T

Not that I can afford a new GT350, but I'm more interested in trap speed than I am the 1/4 mile time. A 118-120mpg trap speed would be amazing to see for a naturally aspirated stock mustang.

 

[garagelogic]

When you lay into someone for giving ThePill reasonable criticisms and imply that they have mental issues for simply posting their opinions on a public forum you give off that vibe.

Oh but you owned a lot of cars from different manufacturers, so yea you can totally diagnose people over the internet.

Lighten up, Chris! I didn't diagnose anyone with a mental disorder, I just suggested they might want seek a professional opinion of the words some anonymous person typed into an internet message board gave them angst.

We all know that ThePill puts forth information in a way that is meant to get a rise out of the GM faithful, particularly those from Camaro5 who just can't help from keeping tabs on what he might be posting. Those people actually seek him out, and when he says something that irks them, they feel the need to "set him straight"!

Look, your first car was a Honda Accord and your second was a base V6 Mustang. From there you went to your 2013 GT, your first V8. You never saw the track in that car until 2013 and had no clue what you were doing. Now, two years removed from that event, you're on here calling out people on what is accurate and inaccurate in their posts. It is obvious you do a lot of internet reading and rely on others commentary regarding a particular vehicle to he,p you form your opinions versus coming from a place of actual experience with the car/cars in question. Your posts bear that out.

 

[Taneras]

Lighten up, Chris! I didn't diagnose anyone with a mental disorder

Correct, you instead said that they had likely had physiological issues - merely because they disagreed with someone.

I just suggested they might want seek a professional opinion of the words some anonymous person typed into an internet message board gave them angst.

I've read his posts here, I haven't seen any "angst". Instead of deflecting you could have addressed what they were actually saying.

We all know that ThePill puts forth information in a way that is meant to get a rise out of the GM faithful, particularly those from Camaro5 who just can't help from keeping tabs on what he might be posting. Those people actually seek him out, and when he says something that irks them, they feel the need to "set him straight"!

And that's fine, but he has been wrong and its ok to call him out when he is wrong.

Look, your first car was a Honda Accord and your second was a base V6 Mustang. From there you went to your 2013 GT, your first V8. You never saw the track in that car until 2013 and had no clue what you were doing. Now, two years removed from that event, you're on here calling out people on what is accurate and inaccurate in their posts. It is obvious you do a lot of internet reading and rely on others commentary regarding a particular vehicle to he,p you form your opinions versus coming from a place of actual experience with the car/cars in question. Your posts bear that out.

Irregardless, you're not in a position to be a drama queen and pretend reasoned posts are angry rants railing on someone and from that determine that someone likely has mental issues.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not be so obsessive with posters here as you sure do seem to know a lot about me :lol:

 

[garagelogic]

Correct, you instead said that they had likely had physiological issues - merely because they disagreed with someone.



I've read his posts here, I haven't seen any "angst". Instead of deflecting you could have addressed what they were actually saying.



And that's fine, but he has been wrong and its ok to call him out when he is wrong.



Irregardless, you're not in a position to be a drama queen and pretend reasoned posts are angry rants railing on someone and from that determine that someone likely has mental issues.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice and not be so obsessive with posters here as you sure do seem to know a lot about me :lol:

Irregardless is not an actual word to use. You should say "regardless".

As far as knowing a lot about you, this is not the only automotive forum I am on. Your posts on AFM told me everything I need to know about your personal experiences with performance cars. The content of your posts here only further confirm my opinion of the depth of your automotive knowledge. No offense intended.

 

[Taneras]

Irregardless is not a word.

Actually it is (its a non-standard word), and I use it out of habit. I understand that the "ir" and "less" cancel each other out.

As far as knowing a lot about you, this is not the only automotive forum I am on. Your posts on AFM told me everything I need to know about your personal experiences with performance cars. The content of your posts here only further confirm my opinion of the depth of your automotive knowledge. No offense intended.

None taken. When we're talking about personal experience with regards to high performance cars I'll take a back seat. Until then the list of cars driven doesn't itself negate anything I say, so I'm confused as to why you thought that was relevant information. For instance when I called ThePill out on being wrong about varying track lengths on Barber, whether or not I've driven a Z28 doesn't matter.

Just drop the drama queen like behavior down a few notches, please.

 

[thePill]

Chevy firmly believes Ford will show a Nurburgring video on the 16th of May. I hope that is not the case.

Ford Insiders suggest that it was far faster than the '13-'14 GT500 at the same track.

 

[Erik427]

GT 350 is much faster than the out going GT 500.

 

[thePill]

I have been trying to get additional confirmation of a 2nd z28 run at Nurburgring. It was confirmed there, also running close to its previous attempts. I don't mean it ran close to its 7:37, I'm saying it ran in the 7:40-7:50s just as it did last time.

I think everyone remembers my report prior to Chevy's official release. thePill has a small team in place over yonder. They have been pretty accurate thus far, they timed the GT500's at 7:30 to 7:40. I was thrashed for over two years until Ford let it slide.

The z28 had issues at Nurburgring the first time. Out of 40+ laps, it failed to beat the ZL1's 7:41 and, the Stingray (Chevy has t released a time yet). I specifically talked about the z28 having trouble breaking 160mph of the stretch (last run was 161mph). They even stated, the 7:37 was on the last run of the last day... How's that for inside info. thePill is your ONLY source for Ring times prior to release. Something tells me they may have made some adjustments to get that 7:37. It was in fact still in developement which burns my ass... Why release a time for a developement prototype?

Well, I got some additional confirmations today that say the 2015 z28 that ran in October DID NOT beat the 2014's 7:37.

In fact, my guys suggest that it may not even beat the ZL1.

Of course, they could be hiding it... but I doubt it...

The thing is, most Camaro fans assumed they actually did run a 7:31. This was because Al said something about a 7:31.

However, it appears that the 7:31 they were so excited about was just telemetry data. This is a computer program that gives you an idea of where the lap would have ended.

Telemetry is NOT a Lap Time. It doesn't win races, it doesn't sit pole, it doesn't win the Championship...... it puts the lotion on its skin...

As I understand it, the 6th Gen Camaro couldn't keep up. Although, the group says it still seemed unsettled and probably still under development. Maybe they will return in June...

 

[Stuntman]

However, it appears that the 7:31 they were so excited about was just telemetry data. This is a computer program that gives you an idea of where the lap would have ended.

Telemetry is NOT a Lap Time. It doesn't win races, it doesn't sit pole, it doesn't win the Championship...... it puts the lotion on its skin...

If they ran the last 1/4 of the track in the dry on another lap and overlayed it with the 'official' lap (which had a good amount of rain in the last part of the lap), to see how much time was lost due to the rain, thats a pretty valid, easy and REAL analysis to do in their data acquisition. Race teams do this all of the time.

I think you mean 'data acquisition' which is an onboard computer that log all of the data from the cars sensors, ecu, GPS, beacons and lap times, while "telemetry" is simply the wireless real-time transmission of that data (data acquisition & ecu) to the team back in the pits, it is not a computer program that guesses lap times. Telemetry is a huge tool that all top level motorsports use and is a key tool that helps win races, although Nurburgring is too large to get telemetry signals for the majority of a lap.

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[68fbjjz109]

I think he is referring to the notion, that they have taken telemetry, and complied a hero run.

 

[thePill]

I think he is referring to the notion, that they have taken telemetry, and complied a hero run.

This is exactly how they managed a 7:31. They broke the track down into 21 pieces, ran 40+ laps and took the best results from each section and Frankensteined them together.

Not a very honest or scientific way to acquire lap times. Al even referenced said technique in an interview I'm told.

I'm not a fan of that method...

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