GT350 vs. Z/28

[traxiii]

OK so Ser. # 001 goes for 1 million dollars, with the money going to charity, doesn't mean they are all going to be crazily priced. They can write off all but the MSRP of the car as a donation.

After the first batch, I hope, things will settle down to GT500 teritory. How much can dealers mark up 500% I can't imagine them going for more than $25K ADM, SHIT!

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[thePill]

Anyone notice they were calling it a 2015? My source may be accurate on the first 500.

$1,000,000 is better than $650,000 right?

I hope all you have come to respect these Barrett-Jackson auctions. Singlehandedly ensuring the performance car lives on with style and output...

...and for charity... Ford and Chevy have donated nearly $2m to charity on the sale of just TWO vehicles. That is good no matter how you slice it.

 

[IGJoe2192]

The car is supposed to be released later this year.

 

[thePill]

Apparently, the R's wing is designed to eliminate trunk lid cracking as well. "Cracking" was common on the 302R and 302S due to downforce on the wing. The wing applies the downforce to the edge of the wing's pedestal and NOT directly to the trunk lid. It also moves the down force out towards the tires centerline instead of over the axle.

This again loosely confirms the GT350R's potential. It appears that under equal speeds, at similar tracks, the GT350R was designed for 302R and 302S level performance. At say Laguna Seca, this would be in the 1:55.2x to 1:56.2x

Not fast enough to oust an honest GT-R with all the goods, nor a GT3. It will be close but, I just don't see it going any faster. I could be wrong...

The GT350 will be competitive with the 2015 z28... For about $20,000 less AND, it will be nearly competition ready for T1! Front rotors may need to be swapped to FR 15 inch front rotors.

The GT350R is just a track day car... designed by the z28's rules and specifically created to destroy said car.

In all honesty, Chevy created a new genre of Pony car. Motor Trend once said it best, a car create for a class that doesn't exist. Actually, some could argue the ZL1 and even the GT500 were preludes to this genre. Basically Track Day cars with gobs of power and impracticality. The GT500 took to the strip though, it had a purpose... a few purposes actually but lap times, at least one flying lap time, became important around 2010.

Car and Driver made the 2010 GT500 look bad, Ford even got Gene on the track to prove how incompetent they were. Ford and C&D has since made their peace... They were invited to the Ring to watch the '13 run. This genre was actually started somewhere between the 2011 GT500 PP, 2012 Boss 302, 2012 ZL1 and 2013 GT500. It was just never clearly defined until the z28 was built for "Racing" but couldn't actually race. Now, this genre is about to get out of hand. The GT500 will grow to such petential that very few of us could actually handle the car. There will be ZERO uses other than a blast down the strip or a few track day laps/magazine one-lap wonder.

Of course, the standard GT just keeps getting better. It has consumed the roles of the GT and Boss 302 in many areas. All they need is a Laguna Seca type GT and everything is covered at the entry level. The GT350 has become a pure GT car and the GT500 will take certain measures to become the first, Super Pony Car. I fear the Superman paint scheme will be popular this time . Hell, even the grill opening has been referred to as the Superman.

 

[FATTBoss]

The wing on the 302S and R actually dented the trunk lid, not just cracked the paint! A buddy runs a '13 R that I have my eye on when they finish racing it. They also have a Agent 47 Harbinger that they made me sign a waiver to drive...

 

[Stuntman]

The GT350R is just a track day car... designed by the z28's rules and specifically created to destroy said car.

In all honesty, Chevy created a new genre of Pony car. Motor Trend once said it best, a car create for a class that doesn't exist. Actually, some could argue the ZL1 and even the GT500 were preludes to this genre. Basically Track Day cars with gobs of power and impracticality. The GT500 took to the strip though, it had a purpose... a few purposes actually but lap times, at least one flying lap time, became important around 2010.

What would you define cars like: Ferrari 430 Speciale, Porsche GT3/RS, Corvette Z06, McLaren 650S, Mercedes AMG GT S, Any Mercedes "Black Series" car, Viper ACR-X, etc... -when they are often faster and have more power than their racing counterparts? Seems like there are a lot of 'track' oriented cars that are far more expensive than the Z28/GT350Rs.

 

[FATTBoss]

I agree Stuntman. There have almost always been street legal fast cars that were outside a set of racing rules. I for one am glad to see that Ford did not restrict the performance of the GT350 to an arbitrary set of rules, and I even commented that I hoped they would,t a number of pages ago.

The GT350, in either trim level, continues to surprise me with what is being offered. I for one never expected a FPC engine, magnetic ride, unique front sub-structure, etc etc etc.

Kudos to Ford. My only spot of trouble with it is that I have a hard time thinking of it as a Mustang. But that is my hangup. I just feel the car has moved way up the scale now.

 

[thePill]

As the GT is being torn down and weighed, part by part, something has become very clear. It appears that the all the GT trims (PP, Vert, Premium, Auto or Manual), have immense amounts of weight added for no reason other than MSRP.

You can swap out disc and save almost 100lbs. Each front weighs 34lbs a piece... No effort appears to be made here... Looks like weight wasn't a concern this year....

I have a feeling the 2015 is a bait car. Some of the weight of these components are out of this world heavy for no reason. Rear seats are 31lbs...

 

[1320']

As the GT is being torn down and weighed, part by part, something has become very clear. It appears that the all the GT trims (PP, Vert, Premium, Auto or Manual), have immense amounts of weight added for no reason other than MSRP.

You can swap out disc and save almost 100lbs. Each front weighs 34lbs a piece... No effort appears to be made here... Looks like weight wasn't a concern this year....

I have a feeling the 2015 is a bait car. Some of the weight of these components are out of this world heavy for no reason. Rear seats are 31lbs...

Is that the GTPP your team is working on?

I'd be curious to see what base GT brakes come in at since when my GT eventually enters my life it'll be a base GT auto.

 

[thePill]

Is that the GTPP your team is working on?

I'd be curious to see what base GT brakes come in at since when my GT eventually enters my life it'll be a base GT auto.

Not mine. There is a thread with weights listed for OEM parts and some potential replacements. The damn front brakes are 34lbs a piece and the GTPP wheels/tires are 63lbs. They can save you 15lbs/10lbs per front/rear brake upgrade. Another 10lbs per wheel/tire, maybe a few more depending on the $$$. I can't even explain how 100lbs less of rotational, unsprung mass feels.

They also go on to save what looks like maybe about 40-50lbs in exhaust. The driveshaft is a little heavier this year too. The 1/2 shafts are probably going to stay about where here are, 30lbs per. Those are ZL1 sized and I assume are future proof.

Weights have increase in every major component area in the Mustang. Similar to what was said about the 6th Gen Camaro.

 

[02gtnh]

The only issue is, lighter weight usually means more $$$. Light rotors are not cheap, neither are lighter wheels. So there's got to be a happy medium somewhere. Those 350r wheels save 13 lbs, yet they will cost about 3 times as much.

 

[9secondko]

As the GT is being torn down and weighed, part by part, something has become very clear. It appears that the all the GT trims (PP, Vert, Premium, Auto or Manual), have immense amounts of weight added for no reason other than MSRP.

You can swap out disc and save almost 100lbs. Each front weighs 34lbs a piece... No effort appears to be made here... Looks like weight wasn't a concern this year....

I have a feeling the 2015 is a bait car. Some of the weight of these components are out of this world heavy for no reason. Rear seats are 31lbs...

I speculated this a while back on this forum as well.

With the new Camaro coming out, no reason to give Chevy a target to beat.

I can see the mustang in two or 3 years "mysteriously" dropping 200 lbs. with a more modern sheet metal refresh as well.

But the saving will come from shaving ounces and pounds off of a bunch of parts. Some of which are excessively heavy on the current car.

 

[thePill]

I'm hearing that the GT350 is indeed lighter than the GT. This was supposedly talked about during a Q and A. Anyone read that?

 

[02gtnh]

There has been nothing from Ford, but there was a article where the writer expected the GT350 to be slightly lighter then the base GT. But there has been nothing from a official source other then the GT350R will be 130 lbs less then a track pack equipped GT350.

 

[thePill]

Jammal on the regular GT350 back in November.

WEIGHT:

Q: Is the GT350 lighter than the base GT?A: Yea, we’re not really talking curb weight today, but there was a lot of light-weighting. Much of it went to offset all the mass that we added in terms of power, brakes, etc., but we also went beyond that too.

Q: So you’re optimistic that…A: Yea, I’m not going to tell you. [laughs]

Lets bring the Camaro in on this... The current 1SS is 3908lbs while their 1LE lost 48lbs. It wouldn't surprise me to see a similar weight loss. It could be just bait numbers though. They did say more than 130lbs between the GT350TP and GT350R. Just working down from the GT's 3705lbs puts a GT350R at a minimum of 3575lbs...

It very likely could be less... The Alpha Camaro will have difficulty matching that...

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