GT350 vs. Z/28

[Taneras]

So when you say the C7 is outperforming GTRs, you mean the Z06, because the standard C7 ain't in the ball park!

This. I have a lot of respect for the C7, its a monster of a car for its price range, but its not to be compared to the Z28 or the GTR. That's what the C7 Z06 is for, and I'd imagine it'll do just fine against those cars. Well not really the Z28, that's not really its competition, but the GTR. It'll be fun to watch

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[Taneras]

"Around the track, the new ‘Vette is somewhat of a monster, outrunning the GT-R around the*1.6-mile Streets of Willow by nearly a second (1:24.6 to 1:25.2), and an average of 2 mph faster per lap."

The Vette used was a 2014 3LT Z51

The GTR was a 2014 Track Edition

6 Tenths, while certainly faster, is a far cry from "True but from what i could find the Z/28 and GTR were neck and neck while the C7 was a second if not 2 faster."

It's going to depend on the track. As I said, the C7 was nearly 3 seconds off of the Z28's pace at VIR. And I can't imagine the C7 besting the GTR's ring time, but I can see it beating the Z28's time.

 

[Brent302]

6 Tenths, while certainly faster, is a far cry from "True but from what i could find the Z/28 and GTR were neck and neck while the C7 was a second if not 2 faster."

It's going to depend on the track. As I said, the C7 was nearly 3 seconds off of the Z28's pace at VIR. And I can't imagine the C7 besting the GTR's ring time, but I can see it beating the Z28's time.

Well I don't live in Germany..I'll never see the ring. This is why I don't get in these pissing contests on here. You want to be 100% right that the lowly C7 can't compete with Godzilla well you're wrong. Here's another and I live near this track.

Corvette Stingray 2:51.80 142mph

Nissan GT-R 2:53.20 140mph

At VIR. Almost a two second gap. Please put down the magazine and lets stop this nonsense. You were wrong the C7 can compete with a GTR. Deal with it.

When you see the Blue Blaze please move to the right!

 

[Taneras]

You want to be 100% right that the lowly C7 can't compete with Godzilla well you're wrong.

More with the oversensitivity... I didn't help engineer either one so I really don't have a dog in the hunt. And I'm not sure where you got the idea I was putting down the C7, I think its an amazing buy for its price range and I haven't been shy about saying that repeatedly. I've also never called the GTR Godzilla. I'm sorry my opinion on these cars differs from yours, please don't get so upset.

As far as a link goes...

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2014...tning-lap-but-the-camaro-z28-steals-the-show/

It's 2:53.8 is almost 3 seconds slower than the Z28's 2:50.9.

While we're posting links could you post a link for those track times you just listed?

 

[Brent302]

You have google use it.

I see you want to emulate a brick wall. I'm mainly talking about the GTR.

This conversation has now ended. Enjoy your 2013 GT..don't get to many papercuts!

 

[Taneras]

You have google use it.

You didn't even name the track. At least I told you it was VIR, a simple google from yourself could have figured it out.

I see you want to emulate a brick wall. I'm mainly talking about the GTR.

But earlier you said this...

True but from what i could find the Z/28 and GTR were neck and neck...

I said from the get go that the VIR time was between the Z28 and C7, and you're just now realizing that I was talking about the Z28 instead of the GTR?

Sorry, I was just going by your own comment that they were neck and neck. Were you wrong?

This conversation has now ended. Enjoy your 2013 GT..don't get to many papercuts!

Says the guy who quoted Edmunds. You like the times when they suit you, but disregard those that don't say what you want them to say.

 

[Brent302]

You didn't even name the track. At least I told you it was VIR, a simple google from yourself could have figured it out.



But earlier you said this...



I said from the get go that the VIR time was between the Z28 and C7, and you're just now realizing that I was talking about the Z28 instead of the GTR?

Sorry, I was just going by your own comment that they were neck and neck. Were you wrong?



Says the guy who quoted Edmunds. You like the times when they suit you, but disregard those that don't say what you want them to say.

I told you VIR and specifically pre 2014 since post 2014 has no normal GTRs on it yet.

The Z/28 and GTR test I was going off was the Randy Pobst H2H.

In the end of the day. All this energy, quoting, being argumentative and general pathetic attempts to try and prove something are Very Sad.

You dont own a GTR...you don't own a Z/28 you don't own a GT350 and don't own a C7 so you waste your breath over times you'll never acheive unless you go play Xbox.

To end we don't get along. Any further bickering will just drag this forum further down so welcome to my ignore list and enjoy your stay. Have a great day and once again be careful with those magazine edges they are sharp.

 

[Swoope]

we have an ignore feature on this forum? where, how?

would be good to know..

beers

 

[Brent302]

we have an ignore feature on this forum? where, how?

would be good to know..

beers

You have to be on a PC. Go into your User CP and friend list there should be a add to ignore list option.

 

[Taneras]

I told you VIR and specifically pre 2014 since post 2014 has no normal GTRs on it yet.

Found a 2:51.78 from GM but they said it was modified with safety equipment, and gave a partial list that included goodies like a racing seat. Was there a cage too? Gonna go with Car and Driver on this one, they ran unmodified production cars. That's going to be the best benchmark.

And your comment wasn't just the GTR, but the Z28 as well. The Z28 time linked in the article I provided is still faster than the time you mentioned. Which makes sense, why would the Z28 be such a show stopper and an amazing deal when a car, with AC and stereo no doubt, that's roughly 20k cheaper beats it in both acceleration and handling? Answer: the cheaper car isn't faster (not at the track, the strip sure), and I'd wager that the GTR is in the same boat.

 

[Trackaholic]

The C7 is a fantastic car. The GT-R is as well. And almost everyone (except thePill) thinks the Z/28 is pretty great, too. Of those three, I'd most want the C7. It has the naturally aspirated V8 soundtrack, it has the excellent mix of technology and luxury, and it has performance that can be used at the track while still being emotionally involving on the street.

From what I've read, the Z/28 is faster than the C7, but some of that is attributable to tires. Because tires are a wear item and will be replaced relatively quickly, I am not terribly concerned with how a car performs on its stock tires but instead care about what the platform offers. The Z/28 is pretty much maxed out from the factory in every way possible. The C7 has room for growth. Depending on what you like to do with your car, one might be more suitable than the other, as they are very different from eachother even though they are both quite fast.

As far as the GT350 goes, I think it should be close to the C7. It may not be quite as fast, which is fine with me, but I think it will hold up better to longer track sessions than the C7. One of the reasons I have not yet purchased a C7 is because from what I've seen on the Corvetteforums, the car does have some brake and cooling issues under certain conditions (similar to those I see at summer track days). I therefore suspect that for me, a C7 would require some brake work and possibly cooling upgrades, which would add maybe ~$5000 to the ~$72,330 my ideal C7 would cost (I've only priced one out about 50 times).

The GT350 will hopefully have the cooling and braking issues taken care of from the factory. It will be fast enough for me, and will have an engine that I will like better than the LT1 in the Vette. It will probably not feel as nimble, but I think overall it will be a better car for what I want due to the improved track capability.

It will also be better than the Z/28 for me due to the better looks, interior, and technology. A bit of a cross between what you get in a C7 and what you get in a Z/28. I will miss the HUD and the rev-matching available on the C7 though. I like both of those features.

But as I always say, these are all some pretty fantastic cars, and you can't really go wrong with any of them IMO. It just comes down to what aspects you value most.

-T

 

[traxiii]

The GT350 will hopefully have the cooling and braking issues taken care of from the factory. It will be fast enough for me, and will have an engine that I will like better than the LT1 in the Vette. It will probably not feel as nimble, but I think overall it will be a better car for what I want due to the improved track capability.

The GT350 Track Pack is supposed to include a larger radiator for extra engine cooling, with engine oil, transmission and rear end coolers too. You should be able to run at Buttonwillow, Willow Springs and the like all day long. YOU (the driver), will be the weak point in the heat, I'm guessing.

 

[mustangletback]

The C7 is a fantastic car. The GT-R is as well. And almost everyone (except thePill) thinks the Z/28 is pretty great, too. Of those three, I'd most want the C7. It has the naturally aspirated V8 soundtrack, it has the excellent mix of technology and luxury, and it has performance that can be used at the track while still being emotionally involving on the street.

From what I've read, the Z/28 is faster than the C7, but some of that is attributable to tires. Because tires are a wear item and will be replaced relatively quickly, I am not terribly concerned with how a car performs on its stock tires but instead care about what the platform offers. The Z/28 is pretty much maxed out from the factory in every way possible. The C7 has room for growth. Depending on what you like to do with your car, one might be more suitable than the other, as they are very different from eachother even though they are both quite fast.

As far as the GT350 goes, I think it should be close to the C7. It may not be quite as fast, which is fine with me, but I think it will hold up better to longer track sessions than the C7. One of the reasons I have not yet purchased a C7 is because from what I've seen on the Corvetteforums, the car does have some brake and cooling issues under certain conditions (similar to those I see at summer track days). I therefore suspect that for me, a C7 would require some brake work and possibly cooling upgrades, which would add maybe ~$5000 to the ~$72,330 my ideal C7 would cost (I've only priced one out about 50 times).

The GT350 will hopefully have the cooling and braking issues taken care of from the factory. It will be fast enough for me, and will have an engine that I will like better than the LT1 in the Vette. It will probably not feel as nimble, but I think overall it will be a better car for what I want due to the improved track capability.

It will also be better than the Z/28 for me due to the better looks, interior, and technology. A bit of a cross between what you get in a C7 and what you get in a Z/28. I will miss the HUD and the rev-matching available on the C7 though. I like both of those features.

But as I always say, these are all some pretty fantastic cars, and you can't really go wrong with any of them IMO. It just comes down to what aspects you value most.

-T

from what i have been reading,the c7 is not all that people think.blown motors,over heating,motor and trans.it is said that randy did 3 laps in the z06 and all the lights came on like a christmas tree.i dont know,but i think the GT350 will set the bar.PeterMJ's Corvette C7 Stingray and Z06 Exposed

:lol::loleterMJ's Corvette C7 Stingray and Z06 Exposed

 

[thePill]

I highly doubt it. Yes the GT350 will be a great vehicle but its no C7. The C7s are outperforming GTRs on road courses. By your assumption you're saying the GT350 will beat a GTR..I don't see it. The GT350 will be comparable to a 1LE and Z/28.

While the C7 is a great car, it really isn't as quick as many think. In fact, it's right on par with a lot of other vehicles. Claiming the C7 is superior based on magazine times is silly. First off, Chevy vehicles tend to do well during test then completely change their tone once in the wild. I'm sorry that I cannot trust media sources but, that's just the way Chevy wanted it. It's cheaper to build a Ringer than it is to build a good car overall.

The z28 and Stingray are pretty much dead even, this was observed elsewhere until the z28 mustered an extra second or so on the last day. Chevy hates you people knowing this, that a z28 and C7 are about the same. Now, both MSRP's reflect their actual performance.

I feel the GT350 will be shoulder to shoulder with both of these cars. Ford wanted to be the cheaper of the 3 but, with the great z28 give-away, it will be hard to compete with a sinking ship.

If you wanna get crazy, look at the C7's Willow lap time and the one done by a GT PP. Very comparable imo. Seasons prior, the GTR was a 1:23 car a Willow but low and behold, once a Chevy is added, everything slows down an additional 2 seconds. Amazing if you ask me...

Hell, the previous Boss and GT500 Edmunds ran were right with their C7 time. I'd hold off on the bragging rights for now.

 

[thePill]

According to Chief Camaro Fungineer, Al Openbudwieser (on 21 April 2014)

http://***************.com/106/2014-chevrolet-camaro-z28-sold-out

...8 months later, dozens and dozens of 2014 Camaro z28's pop up for $25,000 off MSRP...

...hmmmmm...

Why any of you believe a single word from GM is beyond me. SOLD OUT they said...

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