GT350 vs. Z/28

[Nasty99z28]

Why does everyone use this excuse when it comes to the Z/28? Sure it might be on an older platform, but the Z/28 still has a better suspension system and a most likely still a better tire. It's also more expensive.

It's not an excuse its a fact. The camaro was built on a existing sedan platform. Hence all the added weight. How does it have a better suspension than a gt350/r? At best it has a slightly better tire. Now price point it complety destroyed the z28. I hope Chevy learns from it but I doubt they will.

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[Erik427]

It's not an excuse its a fact. The camaro was built on a existing sedan platform. Hence all the added weight. How does it have a better suspension than a gt350/r? At best it has a slightly better tire. Now price point it complety destroyed the z28. I hope Chevy learns from it but I doubt they will.

I'm waiting for the 2016 Camaro and all of it's variants.........The comparos with the Zeta is pointless at this time.

 

[Mr.Solis]

It's not an excuse its a fact. The camaro was built on a existing sedan platform. Hence all the added weight. How does it have a better suspension than a gt350/r? At best it has a slightly better tire. Now price point it complety destroyed the z28. I hope Chevy learns from it but I doubt they will.

6th gen Mustangs went to market before the 6th gen Camaro. Does this mean the Camaro should garner no respect since they just target the benchmark set by the preceding Mustangs?

Isn't the gen 6 Camaro built on an existing sedan platform as well?

 

[krt22]

I would not say the Z/28 has a better suspension setup.

But the Z/28 will have a significant grip advantage over the base GT350 and I would say still a minor advantage over the R. Those pirelli's it has might as well be R comps with their treadwear rating

 

[Khell86]

It's not an excuse its a fact. The camaro was built on a existing sedan platform. Hence all the added weight. How does it have a better suspension than a gt350/r? At best it has a slightly better tire. Now price point it complety destroyed the z28. I hope Chevy learns from it but I doubt they will.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03...on-martin-one-77-what-do-they-have-in-common/

The DSSV suspension used in the Z28 is typically a racing suspension. It's actually only been used once in a production car up until the Z28. According to the link above it has quite a few benefits over magneride. Specifically weight. There's also the fact that the 350 does not use CC brakes.

 

[Sasuketr]

I don't know how Ford did it but they managed to make a loaded gt 350 heavier than a loaded gtpp. If a base gt350 weights 3780 lbs think about the loaded one. I don't know if Ford keeps a lessons learned log in their design improvements or do they really care since the car already comes with a beasty 526 hp engine. So let it be a little heavier than the gt right? :tsk:

What makes me sad is people are comparing this car to an ss camaro. You do that and you will make GM guys proud! But if GM really can drop the weight on the camaro then Ford might need a huge slap on the face to make them go back and do things right this time. They can always go with the Ford f150 route and use more aluminum.

 

[Khell86]

I don't know how Ford did it but they managed to make a loaded gt 350 heavier than a loaded gtpp. If a base gt350 weights 3780 lbs think about the loaded one. I don't know if Ford keeps a lessons learned log in their design improvements or do they really care since the car already comes with a beasty 526 hp engine. So let it be a little heavier than the gt right? :tsk:

What makes me sad is people are comparing this car to an ss camaro. You do that and you will make GM guys proud! But if GM really can drop the weight on the camaro then Ford might need a huge slap on the face to make them go back and do things right this time. They can always go with the Ford f150 route and use more aluminum.

Thats about the same weight as a base GTPP. You also do realize how much more substantial items come standard on the 350? Bigger brakes, tires, front track and so forth. Also something else someone pointed out, was the weight of the GT350R in the Grattan press preview. Supposedly all of the GT350R's in the preview were R's with the technology package, thus having all the stuff the R takes away, put back in except the back seat. Could this mean a 3600lb GT350R base and maybe a lighter base GT350?

 

[Todd15Fastback]

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03...on-martin-one-77-what-do-they-have-in-common/

The DSSV suspension used in the Z28 is typically a racing suspension. It's actually only been used once in a production car up until the Z28. According to the link above it has quite a few benefits over magneride. Specifically weight. There's also the fact that the 350 does not use CC brakes.

Ford clearly stated a few times there was no need for CCB's. The ones they are using delivered exactly what they needed and they could not get them to fade. This same comment was mentioned by the folks that drove the R over the last few days, too.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

I don't know how Ford did it but they managed to make a loaded gt 350 heavier than a loaded gtpp. If a base gt350 weights 3780 lbs think about the loaded one. I don't know if Ford keeps a lessons learned log in their design improvements or do they really care since the car already comes with a beasty 526 hp engine. So let it be a little heavier than the gt right? :tsk:

What makes me sad is people are comparing this car to an ss camaro. You do that and you will make GM guys proud! But if GM really can drop the weight on the camaro then Ford might need a huge slap on the face to make them go back and do things right this time. They can always go with the Ford f150 route and use more aluminum.

Wrong. A loaded GTPP like mine is 3815lbs. Been scaled many times and posted here on the forums what that weight is.

What did Ford do wrong? PLEASE explain? The S550 is kicking the shit out of the 200lb lighter Boss302 by over 2 seconds a lap. The new GT350R is faster than the z28. The GT350 with track pack is as fast as the 911 Carrera and Z51 optioned vette. Again, explain what they are doing wrong?:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

These weight debates are hysterical. Go by a Miata or yugo if you want 2000lbs. Buy a kit cobra with 600hp and 2350lbs.

We are also pretty sure, the aluminum will make its way to the Mustang in the near term. Probably 2018 if I had to guess. Maybe 2017 if they expedite, etc. but we don't truly know what is on their road map.

 

[traxiii]

The Shelby GT350R-C that Multimatic built for the race at Lime Rock last weekend was apparently the original test car they had built and had a Carbon Fiber roof they had to take off to prepare it to actually race. A sign of things to come?


NOTES AND QUOTES FROM LIME ROCK PARK
The recent race at Canadian Tire Motorsport Park was a “good news, bad news” scenario for Multimatic Motorsports. While Austin Cindric and Jade Buford won in the second race for the new No. 158 Ford Shelby GT350R-C, Scott Maxwell had a bad crash in the No. 15 entry, sidelining himself and co-driver Billy Johnson for the race.


With the No. 15 virtually destroyed, the team had less than 10 days to prepare a new car for Lime Rock Park. Fortunately, they had a shell back at the shop, which had been the team’s original test car.

“We had a lot of things going for us,” said team owner Larry Holt. “It definitely helped having the race track only 40 miles from our shop. If that happened at [Mazda Raceway] Laguna Seca, it would have been a whole different story.”

The biggest work on the new car involved cutting off the carbon fiber roof from the original test car and replacing it with an IMSA-mandated steel roof.

“By Friday, the car was done, waiting for an engine,” Holt said. “It was a lot of work in a short time, but we have had worse.”

At the beginning of qualifying, Maxwell had problems with the electronics that resulted in a 12th-place start – last on the Grand Sport (GS) grid. He said the car was fine when it left the pits, but died in the Lefthander.

“It was not a big issue,” Holt explained. “It was an electronic problem with the throttle by wire. Back in my day, the throttle pedal was attached to the carburetor by a cable. Now, it’s all electronic and it failed. But it was no big deal to correct.”

On race day, the car ran perfectly. Maxwell took the car to the front and Johnson kept it there for the final 46 laps – giving the new Shelby its third consecutive victory – while winning in the new No. 15 chassis in its first time out. The Shelby debuted at Watkins Glen International in June, where Maxwell won the TOTAL Pole Award and joined Maxwell in a seventh-place finish, while Buford and Cindric placed fourth. The victory for Multimatic Motorsports came on the 21st anniversary of the team's first win with a Ford Mustang. As fate would have it, the driver behind that first Multimatic Mustang win at Trois Rivieres in 1994 was none other than Scott Maxwell.

- See more at: http://www.imsa.com/articles/multim...l-new-shelby-anniversary#sthash.ZhFbpgI5.dpuf

 

[Khell86]

Ford clearly stated a few times there was no need for CCB's. The ones they are using delivered exactly what they needed and they could not get them to fade. This same comment was mentioned by the folks that drove the R over the last few days, too.

Oh i know. I'm just stating that CCB's are typically the top of the line, best brakes you can do and they're being used on the Z/28.

I'm just stating that Chevy threw everything they had at it, top of the line suspension, brakes, tires, and its about to be bested by a car with less and is priced considerably less.

 

[krt22]

On paper, perhaps the best, in practice, not really. There are a lot of ppl that have issues with them at the track and ended up switching to standard rotors

 

[02gtnh]

Oh i know. I'm just stating that CCB's are typically the top of the line, best brakes you can do and they're being used on the Z/28.

I'm just stating that Chevy threw everything they had at it, top of the line suspension, brakes, tires, and its about to be bested by a car with less and is priced considerably less.

It's there weight, that is why it needed the best. Even with the best stuff, it's still 200lbs more then the gt350r.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Oh i know. I'm just stating that CCB's are typically the top of the line, best brakes you can do and they're being used on the Z/28.

I'm just stating that Chevy threw everything they had at it, top of the line suspension, brakes, tires, and its about to be bested by a car with less and is priced considerably less.

Ahhh gotcha :cheers:

 

[Nasty99z28]

I'm waiting for the 2016 Camaro and all of it's variants.........The comparos with the Zeta is pointless at this time.

So then why compare the 350 to a z28?

6th gen Mustangs went to market before the 6th gen Camaro. Does this mean the Camaro should garner no respect since they just target the benchmark set by the preceding Mustangs?

Isn't the gen 6 Camaro built on an existing sedan platform as well?

Nope because now both will be one the newest chassis they offer. And yes its on a 4dr chassis yet again and the fact that the last one did so well against a purpose built chassis (mustang) that's impressive. So many people said it would never handle and it silenced them all. Now the newest gen will do that yet again.

Oh i know. I'm just stating that CCB's are typically the top of the line, best brakes you can do and they're being used on the Z/28.

I'm just stating that Chevy threw everything they had at it, top of the line suspension, brakes, tires, and its about to be bested by a car with less and is priced considerably less.

That extra heft kinda needed it. Like a real exspensive bandaid.

It's there weight, that is why it needed the best. Even with the best stuff, it's still 200lbs more then the gt350r.

Bingo.

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