GM is pulling back on EVs

[Mitch03]

Those vehicles increased sales year over year.

Sounds like he told you what you needed to hear. Sure he didn't need any issues at his dealership. He deals with people like you all the time. Poor guy.

You purchased a truck, he got your money, and everyone was good.

He laughed while you drove off in your overpriced dinosaur.

What part don’t you understand. They can’t sell EV’s, no one wants them so they are forced upon the dealership if they want the cars that do. Typical idiot response from you as always. You don’t have a clue and never will. You can’t fix stupid!

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[RagmopInKona]

Dude……smoked again. I think you might need to partake in something that would open your mind. You would be better off not replying as it shows how gullible you really are.

He has to come and post here, he got everyone banned from his thread so he trolls this one.
Only vehicle he has is a metro card/pass and his 2 feet.

 

[jtmat]

GM says all of its EVs will be able to power your home by 2026​

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The first vehicle to be released with bidirectional V2H charging will be the 2024 Chevy Silverado EV, followed by the 2024 GMC Sierra EV Denali Edition 1, 2024 Chevy Blazer EV, 2024 Chevy Equinox EV, 2024 Cadillac Lyriq, and the upcoming Cadillac Escalade IQ (which is getting a proper debut later this week).​

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Adding bidirectional charging powers will be “a game changer,” Sequeira said, “because it gives more customers the ability to unlock the value of their electric vehicle.”​

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Heatwaves as a result of climate change are putting more stress on electric grids. GM Energy aims to sell home batteries as part of its home kits so vehicle owners don’t have to worry about their home’s lights going off when they unplug their cars.​

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Sequeira said that bidirectional charging has only recently caught on because automakers were wary of stoking fears about EVs as detrimental to electrical grids. Those fears continue to resonate, but Sequeira says customers are starting to see the value in EVs as “virtual power plants,” storing energy that can supplement the grid during times of peak demand.​

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/8/23823166/gm-ev-bidirectional-charging-vehicle-to-home

 

[sk47]

GM says all of its EVs will be able to power your home by 2026​

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The first vehicle to be released with bidirectional V2H charging will be the 2024 Chevy Silverado EV, followed by the 2024 GMC Sierra EV Denali Edition 1, 2024 Chevy Blazer EV, 2024 Chevy Equinox EV, 2024 Cadillac Lyriq, and the upcoming Cadillac Escalade IQ (which is getting a proper debut later this week).​

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Adding bidirectional charging powers will be “a game changer,” Sequeira said, “because it gives more customers the ability to unlock the value of their electric vehicle.”​

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Heatwaves as a result of climate change are putting more stress on electric grids. GM Energy aims to sell home batteries as part of its home kits so vehicle owners don’t have to worry about their home’s lights going off when they unplug their cars.​

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Sequeira said that bidirectional charging has only recently caught on because automakers were wary of stoking fears about EVs as detrimental to electrical grids. Those fears continue to resonate, but Sequeira says customers are starting to see the value in EVs as “virtual power plants,” storing energy that can supplement the grid during times of peak demand.​

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/8/23823166/gm-ev-bidirectional-charging-vehicle-to-home

Hello; This was covered some time back. Part of a discussion with a champion who appeared briefly then seems to be gone. Martin I think. Some sort of self proclaimed EV consultant.
The new twist as seen in your post is trying to paint bi-directional charging as beneficial, while acknowledging the considerable negative aspect.

Not sure what -ism this "supplement the grid during times of peak demand" will fall under. Essentially the scheme appears to be that we will be "mandated" to buy vehicles we do not want at great expense even with incentives which add to the debt load of taxpayers. Then our private property, a BEV, will become a part of the overall grid. I can hope this particular aspect will be voluntary but will not be holding my breath for that.

In the exchange with "Martin" the real issue came out. To have the imagined green energy and BEV nirvana a major problem must be overcome. With no fossil fuel power plants to backup the grid when the wind does not blow or the sun does not shine some other massive energy storage solution in needed.
The assumption being wind, solar, hydro and other "green" will be adequate during daylight and high wind but not at night or low wind times. Long ago i knew of several possible mass storage ideas. Many seem feasible in the sense of being doable. All were to be very expensive. I happened to like the notion of huge and massive flywheels which can be spun up to high RPM's and so loaded with kinetic energy using excess power during daylight or high wind times.

But alas, why not just "force " the EV owner to foot the bill for all that massive energy storage by including tech allowing those running the grid to use our private property as a solution for one of the weak areas of the "green energy" dream. We even get to pay for it directly.
Wait I say. I will just unplug my fully charged EV. Not so fast bud. Part of the plans is to have inductive charging at home, so you just have to park over the charger.

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/electric-cars-soaked-saltwater-hurricane-205349787.html

More EV mayhem.

I wonder if all the people who lost or are going to lose their EV from saltwater will buy another?

 

[RagmopInKona]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/electric-cars-soaked-saltwater-hurricane-205349787.html

More EV mayhem.

I wonder if all the people who lost or are going to lose their EV from saltwater will buy another?

Don't take much with the battery pack in the floor. 6 inches of water or so and it is toast .
Auto insurance , soon will have to add flood coverage option , Frankly shocked they never did.

 

[jtmat]

We will have to go EVs sooner if these fires keep happening. . The amount of toxic fumes put in the air will make the land all around them unsafe for hundreds of years. Birth defects will certainly rise. Sad state we are in.

Marathon to Shut Third-Largest US Oil Refinery After Fire​

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Louisiana Residents Within Two Miles Evacuated​

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The fire at the Garyville refinery in south Louisiana was contained but ongoing late Friday afternoon, according to Marathon spokespeople. It’s the third blaze to strike the plant in less than a year. Parish officials have ordered residents within a two-mile radius to evacuate.​

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Diesel rose 5% while gasoline futures jumped about 4%. The outage threatens to deplete already below-average distillates stockpiles at a time when US demand for the fuel is set to rise going into the harvest and heating seasons.​

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The Environmental Protection Agency said it has deployed a federal coordinator to the site to oversee the response and provide technical support, including emergency response air monitoring in downwind communities. A firefighter is being evaluated for heat stress and two storage tanks have been damaged, according to Marathon spokesperson.​

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marathon-shut-third-largest-us-180703186.html

 

[sk47]

We will have to go EVs sooner if these fires keep happening. . The amount of toxic fumes put in the air will make the land all around them unsafe for hundreds of years. Birth defects will certainly rise. Sad state we are in.

Hello; Responsible scientists often use to say no particular event, such as a wildfire, can be directly linked to overall climate change. Same for particular hurricanes. Reasoning being that these sorts of events have been happening throughout known historical time and can be inferred about prehistory events. In other words, for a fear monger such as you, fires and hurricanes have been happening long before man's use of fossil fuels started.
By the way the climate has been CONSTANTLY changing going back hundreds and hundreds of millions of years.

A point deliberately missed by you as indicated from the various posts you make follows. It may not have been a good idea for humanity to start using fire so very long ago. Once regular control of fire happened such led to all sorts of new technologies over time. Likely refining/smelting of metals being the greater of these new technologies. ( Note- tech does not have to be electronic by the way.)

The search for hotter fires led to things such as charcoal, then later that coal can burn, then coke, then crude oil. We went from bronze to iron to steel and lots of alloys. Along the way fire and steel gave us steam engines. Later crude oil refineries gave us thousands of products.

To my main point. The technology that grew up from the use of fire had associated down sides such as pollution, but also has allowed for a wonderful lifestyle for now billions of people. We each of us, even the not so well off, pretty much live better than kings did long ago. I do not think many want to go back to human life before fire.

Too extreme an analogy. I get that. Thing is most societies have been cleaning up for many decades. It dawned upon us that the associated pollution was not a good thing. We have to have abundant & reliable energy in order to maintain the current lifestyles and have a decent standard of living. Humans did not understand the long term side effects of these techs when we started down the path long ago.

We do have a better understanding now and have taken steps to make things better. Cars and power plants are generally cleaner than ever before. Or can be cleaner, not sure all the coal fired power plants being built at the rate of two or so per week in China have the latest scrubbers.

Thing is "green energy production" and BEV's are not bad ideas if and when they can be ready for prime time. The massive problems associated with them should not be ignored or swept under the rug as is happening now. The idea of clean "green" energy and clean EV vehicles is not the reality currently. Green and EV's are not clean enough yet.

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[K4fxd]

That oil refinery is almost 50 years old. People like Mr Bureaucrat don't allow more to be built. If this one stays offline that will mean another artificial increase in fuel costs, hitting the poor and middle class the hardest. The same people these forked tongue individuals claim they want to help.

Ant and all EV's in the flooded part of Florida are now junk. The battery packs are able to spontaneously burst into flame at any point in the future. Time bombs.

Storage tanks don't just burst into flames, some kind of flame had to start it. If I read the article correctly it was a diesel tank. Diesel needs flame to start burning. I suspect sabotage by some environmental group that wants oil gone.

 

[Burkey]

Ant and all EV's in the flooded part of Florida are now junk.

Not sure how things work in the US, but over here, any car exposed to a certain amount (depth?) of water is instantly deemed a total loss. The fact that the car is an EV would make no difference in that determination. It’s not like combustion engines with their machined surfaces and their 100 or so sensors are somehow immune to the effects of water ingress.

 

[sk47]

That oil refinery is almost 50 years old. People like Mr Bureaucrat don't allow more to be built. If this one stays offline that will mean another artificial increase in fuel costs, hitting the poor and middle class the hardest. The same people these forked tongue individuals claim they want to help.

Ant and all EV's in the flooded part of Florida are now junk. The battery packs are able to spontaneously burst into flame at any point in the future. Time bombs.

Storage tanks don't just burst into flames, some kind of flame had to start it. If I read the article correctly it was a diesel tank. Diesel needs flame to start burning. I suspect sabotage by some environmental group that wants oil gone.

Hello; Just imagine if all the vehicles were EV's =time bombs.

Had a similar thought about sabotage.

 

[sk47]

Not sure how things work in the US, but over here, any car exposed to a certain amount (depth?) of water is instantly deemed a total loss. The fact that the car is an EV would make no difference in that determination. It’s not like combustion engines with their machined surfaces and their 100 or so sensors are somehow immune to the effects of water ingress.

Hello; I know of a few places that take in "flood damaged" vehicles then "repair" them. Has been going on for decades. All have been ICE that I personally know of. One man i know has bought a few such water damaged. As with all things it will depend on how deep the water was into the car.
The multiple array of sensors and connections in an ICE vehicle is one reason I do not buy a flood vehicle. The connectors are well sealed but not perfect. Some folks take the chance and the cars run a good long time. Some give lots of trouble.

Of course you ignore/miss the main point. A flooded ICE may never run/function just right but the issue with the flooded BEV's is they are potential fire hazards for weeks to perhaps months. A totaled ICE will simply sit and ruin if flooded too deep.

 

[K4fxd]

The fact that the car is an EV would make no difference in that determination.

You are missing the point. These battery cars are now time bombs that can burst into flames, at any time in the future. Maybe if the batteries are dismantled they might be safe. Most likely they will need to be burned to render them safe.

A flooded ICE may never run/function just right but the issue with the flooded BEV's is they are potential fire hazards for weeks to perhaps months.

You mean months to years.

 

[sk47]

You are missing the point. These battery cars are now time bombs that can burst into flames, at any time in the future. Maybe if the batteries are dismantled they might be safe. Most likely they will need to be burned to render them safe.

You mean months to years.

Hello; Had not thought of the long term risk. Maybe someone needs to invent a way to discharge all that energy from a flooded EV battery.
Hope the batteries from flooded EV's do not wind up sold to homeowners/utility companies to be used as storage packs.
I think you posted an image of a rack of such battery storage packs burning.

 

[jtmat]

That oil refinery is almost 50 years old. People like Mr Bureaucrat don't allow more to be built. If this one stays offline that will mean another artificial increase in fuel costs, hitting the poor and middle class the hardest. The same people these forked tongue individuals claim they want to help.

Poor and middle class always get the short end of the stick.

At least with EVs their children won't be deformed and have mental issues decades from now.

Ant and all EV's in the flooded part of Florida are now junk. The battery packs are able to spontaneously burst into flame at any point in the future. Time bombs.

Had the refinery tanks flooded, the water table would be permanently polluted. In addition, wildlife would be impacted at astronomical levels.

There is simply no comparison.

Storage tanks don't just burst into flames, some kind of flame had to start it. If I read the article correctly it was a diesel tank. Diesel needs flame to start burning. I suspect sabotage by some environmental group that wants oil gone.

Sure the goberment* sent in Seal Team 6.

*fair game since you already brought in politics... before you say I'm "baiting" you.

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