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This is what tells everyone it is not a crisis. If it was, total numbers would matter, not per person. This is just another step toward global communism. Everyone equal.

That is not meant to be political, just what I think.
Just to be clear, you were complaining a while back about the elites. Now you’re saying that some people should have access to more emissions than others. Wouldn’t that be an elite class?
Ever tried to put yourself in a different position? The veil of ignorance (AKA the original position) is a good test. You should try it.

“In the original position, you are asked to consider which principles you would select for the basic structure of society, but you must select as if you had no knowledge ahead of time what position you would end up having in that society. This choice is made from behind a "veil of ignorance", which prevents you from knowing your ethnicity, social status, gender and, crucially in Rawls' formulation, your or anyone else's idea of how to lead a good life. Ideally, this would force participants to select principles impartially and rationally.”
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In the original position, you are asked to consider which principles you would select for the basic structure of society, but you must select as if you had no knowledge ahead of time what position you would end up having in that society.
I would select a position where everyone is equal in opportunity, each can prosper to their ability and ambition.

Communism or socialism tends to bring the top tiers down. I would want a system where the bottom tier can go up.

Equal in opportunity. If you work hard you get the fruits of that work. If you are lazy or just do enough to get by, you get the fruits of that labor.
 

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Solar panels are tested at a benchmark of 25C. For every degree rise in temperature above this level, the efficiency is reduced by 0.5 percentage points.

The temperature level refers to the solar cell temperature, rather than the air temperature. In direct sunlight, the cells can easily reach 60 or 70 degrees.


But BUt BUT GREEN
 

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Cleaned by Capitalism and Soiled by Socialism (msn.com)

“My series has three related purposes. The first is to explain that the relevant environment for humanity is not exclusively the outdoor and often-distant environment that we think of today when we encounter this word.”

“The second purpose of my series is to document, using examples from everyday modern life, the practically countless ways that innovative capitalist markets cleanse our personal environments of filth and perils that pose a far greater and more immediate threat to us than do global warming and the other the environmental conditions that are today regularly featured in the news.”

“The third purpose is to encourage readers to understand that, while capitalist production does indeed emit pollutants into the air and water, it also – and in the process – produces goods many of which make our everyday lives less polluted.”

“As innovative entrepreneurs in capitalist markets daily devise new goods and services to make our lives cleaner and safer, government officials are increasingly working to reverse this environmental improvement. Ironically, much of this government action is done in the name of improving the environment. “

“He was prompted by the experience to send to me this e-mail:

I'm at the British Library this week doing research. They have what seem to be waterless urinals, with the predictable result that the men's rooms reek of urine. So you should add ‘Soiled by Socialism’ to the series!”

“Another example of "Soiled by Socialism" is government-mandated low-flow water faucets, showerheads, and toilets. At the very best, these low-flow devices simply fail to achieve their purpose of saving water, as people – to compensate for the lower flows – keep faucets and showers running longer, as well as flush toilets multiple times. But because water pressure, in addition to volume, contributes positively to cleansing one's hands, body, and toilet-bowl interiors, we and our toilets do not get quite as clean with the low-flow devices as we would with higher-flow ones.”
 

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Greenpeace slams UK grid operator over coal decision (msn.com)

Hello; Perhaps i do not understand the situation well enough. The "green" energy portion of the grid cannot meet demand. So, fire up a couple of coal plants for a while in a high demand situation.

On the other hand, do not burn the nasty coal and so by that choice have blackouts of power. Not as dire as a bad cold spell during winter, I guess.
 

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There's no question that the environment in which modern humans live is immeasurably cleaner, safer, and more pleasant than was the filthy and dangerous environment in which all of our pre-industrial ancestors lived.

But millions of kids are dying from gas stoves and water heaters.


Before the electric light bulb, people at night used gas lamps (which were dangerous), fuel lamps (which were dangerous and dirty), and – for most of the time prior to the 20th century – candles (which also were dangerous and dirty).

Not only does the light bulb provide reliable and ample light, it does so without polluting our homes', workplaces', and play-places' interiors. And being much safer than candles, fuel-burning lamps, or gas lamps, light bulbs are much less likely to ignite fires – fires that would burn down not only the buildings in which they started but also risk burning down surrounding buildings.
When the electric goes out people will start burning gas lamps and candles, again. But PROGRESS!! It's Green!
 

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Allow me….
1. That’s a someday thing
2. They’re a fire hazard
3. They’re expensive
4. They’re heavy
5. The won’t reduce emissions that much
6. It’s all a hoax to control the population

Did I miss anything?
 

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Allow me….
1. That’s a someday thing
2. They’re a fire hazard
3. They’re expensive
4. They’re heavy
5. The won’t reduce emissions that much
6. It’s all a hoax to control the population

Did I miss anything?
sounds like all the dumb crap you’ve been dealing with here from my one person perspective (you). I have all of those fools on ignore which makes it a much more pleasant experience for me.
 

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Allow me….
1. That’s a someday thing
2. They’re a fire hazard
3. They’re expensive
4. They’re heavy
5. The won’t reduce emissions that much
6. It’s all a hoax to control the population

Did I miss anything?
Hello; I read the link. Not much meat (information). Before I point out what you two will call negatives let me say again that I am not dramatically against BEV just because they are BEV. If/when the BEV gets the major problems solved such a vehicle might be as good as an ICE. Build a BEV which matches or beats an ICE at a better operation cost point and i will have nothing to say against them.
EDIT- will not necessarily mean i will stop criticism of mandates and unfair incentives.

Back to the story. Not clear from the link how soon this new battery format can get into production so i gather it is not ready next week. That kinda makes it a someday thing for now. It is called next -gen you know. How many of these headline grabbing stories never play out? I have more confidence in Toyota getting it done than some small startup.

No idea if a solid state battery is more or less of a fire hazard.

Will they be expensive? Also not yet known. One of the ways, so far, to get more range in a BEV has been to simply stuff in more cells. More cells can hold more energy overall. Cells cost money so more of them cost more money kind of catch 22.

Again, to get more range add more cells and that adds more weight using the common battery packs. Are solid state batteries lighter? Did Toyota get 620 miles of range with the similar mass of a lesser range current EV battery or did they just stuff more cells into it. I did not get that information from the link.

The emissions from batteries come from at least two different sources. One is the mining and processing of battery materials. The other is where the electricity to charge them comes from. Not at all clear that a solid state battery does better in either case. Not enough information.

The "hoax" as you hope to label it to control the population bit has little to nothing to do with battery tech. No new ICE sale mandates, edicts handed down by agencies such as the EPA and other such things are real.

Something I have written before. The tech of BEV's is going to change and may do so rapidly. To be a truly viable alternative to an ICE some game changing tech need to happen. Perhaps a solid state battery is one of those game changers. Too soon to say. Thing is when the new and better comes along those with the old tech will be left behind. May be best to wait to buy an EV to see how it plays out.

sounds like all the dumb crap you’ve been dealing with here from my one person perspective (you). I have all of those fools on ignore which makes it a much more pleasant experience for me.
Hello; Afraid this does not make much sense. Kinda a dumb way to be part of a conversation. Only listen to those who agree with you and then cover your ears for all else. Think it is called an echo chamber.
 

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sounds like all the dumb crap you’ve been dealing with here from my one person perspective (you). I have all of those fools on ignore which makes it a much more pleasant experience for me.
You poor little thing……bless your heart!
 

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How Britain’s love affair with air-con is forcing us back to coal (msn.com)
“Summer is typically when gas plants are shut down for maintenance, meaning there is less back up. On Monday, a fault at an interconnector between Britain and Norway further dented capacity. “

Hello; Gotta do regular maintenance for sure. Interconnector fault may be a one time thing.

Wind production has slumped in the current heatwave, with the share of energy generated from wind falling from 22.5pc in the last few weeks to just 9.3pc on Monday morning.”

“Although sunshine and more daylight hours bring a net boost for solar power, heat also makes solar panels less efficient.”

“As demand for air conditioning grows, there is a looming risk of heatwave-induced blackouts, warns Bob Ward, who works for the ESRC Centre for Climate Change Economics and Policy at the London School of Economics and Political Science.”

Hello; Dare I say some folks will have to choose to be cool or to charge up an EV. Do not see how both can happen if a blackout from too much AC demand. Maybe they will not be able to do either?

““Until we reach net zero emissions, the world will continue to get hotter and heatwaves like the UK’s 40.3C one from last year will become more frequent. It is going to put added strain on our power system to try and keep everyone cool,” says Jess Ralston, head of energy at the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit.”

Hello; Did some conversion. That is about 104 degrees F. Not something exactly rare where I live. Not fun to be sure but has happened where I live some. I get temps in the high 90’s F every summer. I usually only run the central air at night on those days and sweat a lot during the day. I may average eight or ten nights of running the AC each summer. Interesting thing is my area is having a cool spring so far. Guess England is generally a cooler place.
 

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Allow me….
1. That’s a someday thing
2. They’re a fire hazard
3. They’re expensive
4. They’re heavy
5. The won’t reduce emissions that much
6. It’s all a hoax to control the population

Did I miss anything?
Actually, no. 1 is quite clear from the article itself. They're planning to start production someday. It's still vapourware.
Nos. 3, 4 and 5 are pretty likely as well.
Not sure about no. 2. That remains to be seen.
 

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