GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

So?

If Ford don't invest in EV's they will collapse. More actual detail in the link on what has happened, why and what will happen at Ford

Ford's EV business lost $2 billion in 2022, offset by fleet and legacy (cnbc.com)

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[Gregs24]

 

[sk47]

Woman’s ‘Dead Hedge’ Fence Is the Most Sustainable Way to Build a Fence (msn.com)

Hello; another example of flawed "green" thinking. Several ways this is not a good idea.

 

[sk47]

Um….the “tactic” IS being used on us right now and for all of our lives. Do you think that we aren’t subject to the same rules?
Do you not see how this looks like you feel as though you’re a victim?

Hello; Of course, you are subject to those who figure they are entitled to rule. All are. A difference is how easily one takes a knee. I can be convinced but resist being forced. I will question what ever is going on and will decide for myself. I see the charm in a pollution free planet. Things are not all we are being led to believe.
I see it as my not becoming a voluntary victim. I can of course be defeated, and such may happen.

 

[Burkey]

Of course, you are subject to those who figure they are entitled to rule.

You mean, ”those who are elected to govern”.

A difference is how easily one takes a knee.

What specific action have you taken, other than this forum, and your vote, to combat it?

. I will question what ever is going on and will decide for myself.

Yes, never allow the overwhelming majority of experts in their field to inform your opinions. You’re a free-thinker. Obviously it’s impossible that they could know things that you don’t, Even if they did, it wouldn’t matter because your opinions matter as much as their research.

I see the charm in a pollution free planet.

Me too, but the 2035 mandates aren’t going to achieve that. Instead they’ll simply reduce the amount of GHG’s in the atmosphere. We’ll still be dumping plastics into our oceans, pesticides and who knows what else into our water and so on. Let’s call it a starting point.

Things are not all we are being led to believe.

Well that depends entirely on what you‘ve been led to believe. If you’re like one of the posters here, your belief would be that water vapour is the driving force behind warming over the past few centuries. in that case, things wouldn’t be at all like what you’d been led to believe.

can of course be defeated, and such may happen.

Erm….you’ve already been defeated. The mandates are STILL in place. Do you think you’re going to get them overturned by an alternative government? Given that the last one didn’t do it, do you honestly think that’s even vaguely likely?

Let’s imagine for a moment that the US were to suddenly step back from its promises to the rest of the world. How do you think trade might present itself in real terms? Do you think the rest of the world will pretend nothing happened? Nothing to learn from Russia‘s experience?

 

[sk47]

You mean, ”those who are elected to govern”.

Yes, never allow the overwhelming majority of experts in their field to inform your opinions. You’re a free-thinker. Obviously it’s impossible that they could know things that you don’t, Even if they did, it wouldn’t matter because your opinions matter as much as their research.

Hello; Much of what you write as a rebuttal to my comment is simple spin. Some is made up implication not supported by my specific comments which you quote, nor by my previous posts. I will comment on two of your replies.

Seems we have a very different view of the role of elected representatives. I know little of the way things work in your country, so will concentrate on my representative republic often also called a democracy.
The folks who run for office do not become rulers in a traditional old-world sense. Ideally, they take the pulse of those they represent and try to enact laws which reflect that pulse. Works well at a local level. Less so at the state level and gets very murky at the federal level. Those who keep campaign promises get my support. Those who go off on tangents after taking office do not. Not a full explanation to be sure.

On the second item. I get that some on this forum have dismissed my experience, but I have been actively involved in the sciences since 1966. You have to keep up in order to teach. I can also do as others and pull things off the web. Thing is a pattern has evolved here and likely in general. I often post comments based on a lifetime of following events and from my own experience.
If I strike a nerve the push back asks for some sort of back up. In the distant past that would be spending hours in reference libraries with bound scientific journals or setting up my own research if possible. In fact, one of my work-study jobs as a college student was working in one of those research sections of a college library. My job was to help students and sometimes professors find the most relevant journals with the information they needed. Did well at it as they kept me working. Also helped with my own research.

Now we all have the internet and I do not have to leave home to dig up information. Two things stand out about posted source links. One is the practice of being very selective about links. If I find a link to rebut a thing, then you have as did others, routinely challenged the source. Rarely a discussion on merits, more often just dismissal and saying the source is no good. Happened a lot during the Covid talks on here. I recall finding a link with information directly from one of the scientists who helped pioneer part of the mRNA techniques used to make one of the mRNA vaccines. That he was not following the official line at the time was excuse enough for panning and dismissing him as a reference. So, only links which supported your favored view were considered good. Links which challenged were considered bad.
I bring up the many times I personally championed natural immunity from Covid and also posted links supporting the same. My personal knowledge was subject to putdowns and my links dismissed.

Last item for now. Turns out the web was a rigged place after all. We know for sure about Twitter the last few months as specific evidence of behind the scenes tampering was going on. People who questioned the favored agendas have lost their voices just for questioning. Happened to me on here in the science is cancelled thread. Problem is I was not wrong in my posted comments of the time as we now all know.
Then there are the algorithms (SP) which apparently can hide some content or send it far deep in a list of results when we do a search.
We know about twitter but can only speculate about the other platforms. Was it that only twitter was manipulated behind the scenes and the others left alone???

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Hello; Much of what you write as a rebuttal to my comment is simple spin. Some is made up implication not supported by my specific comments which you quote, nor by my previous posts. I will comment on two of your replies.

Seems we have a very different view of the role of elected representatives. I know little of the way things work in your country, so will concentrate on my representative republic often also called a democracy.
The folks who run for office do not become rulers in a traditional old-world sense. Ideally, they take the pulse of those they represent and try to enact laws which reflect that pulse. Works well at a local level. Less so at the state level and gets very murky at the federal level. Those who keep campaign promises get my support. Those who go off on tangents after taking office do not. Not a full explanation to be sure.

On the second item. I get that some on this forum have dismissed my experience, but I have been actively involved in the sciences since 1966. You have to keep up in order to teach. I can also do as others and pull things off the web. Thing is a pattern has evolved here and likely in general. I often post comments based on a lifetime of following events and from my own experience.
If I strike a nerve the push back asks for some sort of back up. In the distant past that would be spending hours in reference libraries with bound scientific journals or setting up my own research if possible. In fact, one of my work-study jobs as a college student was working in one of those research sections of a college library. My job was to help students and sometimes professors find the most relevant journals with the information they needed. Did well at it as they kept me working. Also helped with my own research.

Now we all have the internet and I do not have to leave home to dig up information. Two things stand out about posted source links. One is the practice of being very selective about links. If I find a link to rebut a thing, then you have as did others, routinely challenged the source. Rarely a discussion on merits, more often just dismissal and saying the source is no good. Happened a lot during the Covid talks on here. I recall finding a link with information directly from one of the scientists who helped pioneer part of the mRNA techniques used to make one of the mRNA vaccines. That he was not following the official line at the time was excuse enough for panning and dismissing him as a reference. So, only links which supported your favored view were considered good. Links which challenged were considered bad.
I bring up the many times I personally championed natural immunity from Covid and also posted links supporting the same. My personal knowledge was subject to putdowns and my links dismissed.

Last item for now. Turns out the web was a rigged place after all. We know for sure about Twitter the last few months as specific evidence of behind the scenes tampering was going on. People who questioned the favored agendas have lost their voices just for questioning. Happened to me on here in the science is cancelled thread. Problem is I was not wrong in my posted comments of the time as we now all know.
Then there are the algorithms (SP) which apparently can hide some content or send it far deep in a list of results when we do a search.
We know about twitter but can only speculate about the other platforms. Was it that only twitter was manipulated behind the scenes and the others left alone???

Yep. There are none so blind......

 

[K4fxd]

@Burkey

I am too lazy to go back and quote you.

In reference to "the rules will be applied to the zealots"

The point is sooner or later some thing they care about will be banned, or something they do not like will be forced upon them.

This is why I fight mandates, even if I believe in the cause.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Hello; Much of what you write as a rebuttal to my comment is simple spin. Some is made up implication not supported by my specific comments which you quote, nor by my previous posts. I will comment on two of your replies.

Seems we have a very different view of the role of elected representatives. I know little of the way things work in your country, so will concentrate on my representative republic often also called a democracy.
The folks who run for office do not become rulers in a traditional old-world sense. Ideally, they take the pulse of those they represent and try to enact laws which reflect that pulse. Works well at a local level. Less so at the state level and gets very murky at the federal level. Those who keep campaign promises get my support. Those who go off on tangents after taking office do not. Not a full explanation to be sure.

On the second item. I get that some on this forum have dismissed my experience, but I have been actively involved in the sciences since 1966. You have to keep up in order to teach. I can also do as others and pull things off the web. Thing is a pattern has evolved here and likely in general. I often post comments based on a lifetime of following events and from my own experience.
If I strike a nerve the push back asks for some sort of back up. In the distant past that would be spending hours in reference libraries with bound scientific journals or setting up my own research if possible. In fact, one of my work-study jobs as a college student was working in one of those research sections of a college library. My job was to help students and sometimes professors find the most relevant journals with the information they needed. Did well at it as they kept me working. Also helped with my own research.

Now we all have the internet and I do not have to leave home to dig up information. Two things stand out about posted source links. One is the practice of being very selective about links. If I find a link to rebut a thing, then you have as did others, routinely challenged the source. Rarely a discussion on merits, more often just dismissal and saying the source is no good. Happened a lot during the Covid talks on here. I recall finding a link with information directly from one of the scientists who helped pioneer part of the mRNA techniques used to make one of the mRNA vaccines. That he was not following the official line at the time was excuse enough for panning and dismissing him as a reference. So, only links which supported your favored view were considered good. Links which challenged were considered bad.
I bring up the many times I personally championed natural immunity from Covid and also posted links supporting the same. My personal knowledge was subject to putdowns and my links dismissed.

Last item for now. Turns out the web was a rigged place after all. We know for sure about Twitter the last few months as specific evidence of behind the scenes tampering was going on. People who questioned the favored agendas have lost their voices just for questioning. Happened to me on here in the science is cancelled thread. Problem is I was not wrong in my posted comments of the time as we now all know.
Then there are the algorithms (SP) which apparently can hide some content or send it far deep in a list of results when we do a search.
We know about twitter but can only speculate about the other platforms. Was it that only twitter was manipulated behind the scenes and the others left alone???

When people can not change things, they change the words.
— Jean Jaures

 

[K4fxd]

More EV let downs. Although this is software the company should have covered the repair under warranty.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rivian-buyer-got-dream-car-111500636.html

 

[Skye]

The pitfalls of 1) being an early adopter and 2) not understanding the vehicle in those conditions.

Rivian has produced about 25,000 vehicles; it's very much a niche (and expensive) product right now. If the company survives the next few years, it should give them an opportunity to fix any systemic issues.

There are 20 Rivian service centers in the US and Canada; some drivers will understand the risks associated with being one of their first customers. Some will not.

As expensive as it is, it's in Rivian's interest to offer the best service and support imaginable; they have yet to establish themselves. Anything less is going to turn people off, especially when rivals are either in production or nearing with like products.

To the owner, I felt it shows he has limited experience driving in those conditions. Key to what happened is the lack of understanding when driving a 7000 lb (gulp) / 3175 kg vehicle into snow that comes up to the floor, being in a remote area, not having shovels, tracks, winches, etc.

 

[sk47]

The pitfalls of 1) being an early adopter and 2) not understanding the vehicle in those conditions.

Rivian has produced about 25,000 vehicles; it's very much a niche (and expensive) product right now. If the company survives the next few years, it should give them an opportunity to fix any systemic issues.

There are 20 Rivian service centers in the US and Canada; some drivers will understand the risks associated with being one of their first customers. Some will not.

As expensive as it is, it's in Rivian's interest to offer the best service and support imaginable; they have yet to establish themselves. Anything less is going to turn people off, especially when rivals are either in production or nearing with like products.

To the owner, I felt it shows he has limited experience driving in those conditions. Key to what happened is the lack of understanding when driving a 7000 lb (gulp) / 3175 kg vehicle into snow that comes up to the floor, being in a remote area, not having shovels, tracks, winches, etc.

Hello; Guess it depends on a point of view. If a person leans toward favoring EV's then making less of this particular problem fits.
There is a bottom line in this particular episode. That being the Rivan owner is selling the EV and moving back to an ICE.
I do not buy into the he did not have experience driving in those conditions. He was doing what i have done in similar situations, rocking back and forth. Also, he was on the "families" remote property which implies he has driven there before. Can not say much about the ads showing a Rivan plowing thru deep snow as I have not paid attention to such.

I see you used the "lack of understanding" thing against the driver. Guess it is not reserved for only us on this thread who disagree with you. I have had computers since 1993 and still do not know all the possible ways to screw up with one. That a vehicle has a lockdown mode if you shift from forward to reverse too many times is odd to begin with. Maybe the folks who write software do not have actual 4x4 driving experience.
As you say in a few years the Rivan company may get things straightened out. Too bad they risk pushing away current owners of their expensive vehicles. Paying 85 grand and having the thing do a self-imposed lockdown three days into ownership for doing a common 4x4 maneuver, then being stuck and then having to pay a big tow bill. I get it from the owners point of view.
I wonder how many are around willing to plunk down that kind of cash? From the article it seems they may have reached a saturation as they no longer brag about orders. I was never going to consider a Rivan so nothing lost with me.

I do agree with your take that being an early adopter is a road with pitfalls.

 

[K4fxd]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/britain-railways-became-cripplingly-expensive-050000558.html

More top down central planning going amuck.

Amtrak is doing real well here in the States too. .

 

[sk47]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/britain-railways-became-cripplingly-expensive-050000558.html

More top down central planning going amuck.

Amtrak is doing real well here in the States too. .

Hello; Is Amtrack in the states run by the same agencies which run the subways? I live far away from places with commuter trains so have no experience with them.
We have lots of rail lines in my area but only freight or coal is carried on them. Maybe only coal.

 

[K4fxd]

Amtrak is run by government committees. It's a big money suck.

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