GM is pulling back on EVs

[Burkey]

Right now by 2035 states like California and other “Blue” states are mandating the shut down of sales of ICE vehicles. Now think about it. California the 4th largest economy in the world shutting down the sales of ICE vehicles will definitely impact many carmakers and markets. By 2050 world governments want to cut oil sales to a world wide net amount of 25million barrels a day.

Plus the fact that here in the US there will be no more refineries built and many will more than likely close by the target of 2050. I do not see regular folks driving any ICE vehicles after that.

In other words, in 2034, you’ll still be able to buy an ICE vehicle correct?
To my knowledge, even California will permit the sale of hybrids beyond 2035. Am I being mislead?
A hybrid still uses gasoline correct?

If those points are correct, what exactly is the problem you’re having here?

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[Burkey]

Hello; Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Many posts ago some actual video of him saying the words were linked and posted. You were pulling the same stunt then as now. And yes, it was to you in particular we presented the evidence to. Too bad you cannot recall.

Can you quote the post number then? Seriously, the nearest thing I can find is him saying that they were going to remove SUBSIDIES for fossil fuels and make GOVERNMENT buildings free of fossil fuel usage.

Now, given his……erm…...propensity for mis speaking, it’s quite possible that he may have said something that wasn’t exactly part of the script. Of this I have little doubt. Let’s face it, there’s plenty of examples of him doing it.

But, some old guy fumbling his words and saying something he wasn’t meant to say isn’t the same as actual policy.

Honestly, you shouldn’t be worried about being banned for providing a link to such a thing. We aren’t discussing politics in the true sense, but rather trying to establish if what you think you heard (or may have genuinely heard) is based in fact.

Seems weird to me that a president would be suggesting that fossil fuels are about to be banned when the most strict state in the US has no plans to ban fossil fuels.
Happy to be shown that I’m wrong though.


From the article below:

“The rule isn’t an outright ban on gas-powered cars. It doesn’t have any requirements for used cars, nor does it have an impact on any of the many gas-powered vehicles that will still be on the road 13 years from now.”

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...sold-must-be-evs-plug-in-hybrids-a5735404160/

 

[LSchicago]

Hello; Perfect example of deception. Yes, it is true that six or more states in the USA are not mandating we must purchase an EV. Amounts to the same thing tho. The mandates are no ICE can be sold after some date certain. If dealers cannot sell an ICE by law then what will be left.? Only BEV's. No hybrids with an ICE and battery/electric.

And at the same time Montana is trying to pass a law banning EV sales by 2035.

 

[sk47]

And at the same time Montana is trying to pass a law banning EV sales by 2035.

Hello; Such seems to be the case. Have not seen the details and think it is not yet law. Think i posted a while back, maybe in a different thread, I do not care much for mandates either way.

I do get the thinking behind such a move.

 

[AZlb5.0]

And at the same time Montana is trying to pass a law banning EV sales by 2035.

I don’t think that any laws should be passed mandating anyone who can and can’t buy. People should be able to buy what they want with out damn laws or mandates. You want an EV or hybrid by all means go ahead. I just don’t want the government telling anyone what they can or should buy.

edit: or passing laws that will restrict the ability to access fuel for ICE vehicles.

 

[sk47]

Consumer Reports Claims These 3 Popular Electric SUVs Have ‘Below-Average’ Reliability (msn.com)
Hello; interesting.

 

[AZlb5.0]

In other words, in 2034, you’ll still be able to buy an ICE vehicle correct?
To my knowledge, even California will permit the sale of hybrids beyond 2035. Am I being mislead?
A hybrid still uses gasoline correct?

If those points are correct, what exactly is the problem you’re having here?

I guess you’re right. But if you can’t access fuel then I guess that’s where the pinch kinda sets itself in. There are cities in California already banning the build of new gas stations. So…

 

[LSchicago]

I don’t think that any laws should be passed mandating anyone who can and can’t buy. People should be able to buy what they want with out damn laws or mandates. You want an EV or hybrid by all means go ahead. I just don’t want the government telling anyone what they can or should buy.

edit: or passing laws that will restrict the ability to access fuel for ICE vehicles.

I agree 100%. Let the people decide.

 

[Gregs24]

I agree 100%. Let the people decide.

They are doing. EV sales are rising globally.

 

[Gregs24]

That reminds me of David Attenborough.

“There is a missing blade of grass on this vast tundra and its humanities fault.”

And I’m gonna keep traveling on my private jets all over the world to tell you all about it.

Wrong again Sir David Attenborough doesn't want to travel for filming (yahoo.com)

 

[Burkey]

I agree 100%. Let the people decide.

If we had a second, identical planet, I’d be more than happy for you to run your science experiment.
Unfortunately, we don’t. So the majority prevail. That’s how democracies have worked since their inception.
Perfect? No.
If you have a better system, I’d be interested in hearing it.

 

[Gregs24]

Right now by 2035 states like California and other “Blue” states are mandating the shut down of sales of ICE vehicles. Now think about it. California the 4th largest economy in the world shutting down the sales of ICE vehicles will definitely impact many carmakers and markets. By 2050 world governments want to cut oil sales to a world wide net amount of 25million barrels a day.

Plus the fact that here in the US there will be no more refineries built and many will more than likely close by the target of 2050. I do not see regular folks driving any ICE vehicles after that.

'Blue' states. Politics

Carmakers are already responding to global demand, nothing to do with petty US politics

 

[AZlb5.0]

Wrong again Sir David Attenborough doesn't want to travel for filming (yahoo.com)

I don’t think you got my jest. But duly noted

 

[Gregs24]

In other words, in 2034, you’ll still be able to buy an ICE vehicle correct?
To my knowledge, even California will permit the sale of hybrids beyond 2035. Am I being mislead?
A hybrid still uses gasoline correct?

If those points are correct, what exactly is the problem you’re having here?

I'm afraid it is just the same old power thing. Some people rate their personal rights and freedoms above all others. It isn't anything to do with EV's, it is just being told what to do if it isn't what they want.

The reasons for reducing fossil fuel use are well understood and there are plenty of alternatives including BEV's but if you are unwilling to ever show any concern for your fellow citizens then you will never accept change.

 

[Gregs24]

I don’t think you got my jest. But duly noted

I just responded to your post, not any assumptions

The jest being I am a hypocrite for driving a Mustang but wanting to reduce fossil fuel use?

Well my annual mileage in the Mustang is low, our mileage on electric on the PHEV is high, we have solar PV's and a well insulated house to minimise consumption. We are very much doing our bit to reduce fossil fuel use so no - I am not a hypocrite.

I accept global climate change and the reasons, based on those with expert knowledge of the subject, and not the uninformed opinions of those who constantly look for reasons not to change their lifestyle to benefit others.

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