GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

I’ll agree to disagree

You can, but you will be wrong!

That is the reason driving it (fact) and the existence of the problem is factually proven.

You are the one who likes facts!

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[tripleyellowmustang]

There is indeed a man made crisis that is driving non ICE alternatives forward. That isn't a government 'induced crisis' but a real one.

And yet you choose to drive Ford Mustang GT and, oh look, a Lotus Emira ICE vehicle on order. What a miserable mushmouth hypocrite and phony. You claim it’s a man made crises, yet continue to contribute to the crises. How big is your carbon footprint mushmouth. Quit preaching about the environment until you get your own house in order. By the way, how big is that house? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[AZlb5.0]

You can, but you will be wrong!

That is the reason driving it (fact) and the existence of the problem is factually proven.

You are the one who likes facts!

That reminds me of David Attenborough.

“There is a missing blade of grass on this vast tundra and its humanities fault.”

And I’m gonna keep traveling on my private jets all over the world to tell you all about it.

 

[Burkey]

Lol keep thinking that EVs will willfully be majority of car sales in any version of any universe that the government doesn’t make it a mandate. Facts are just that facts. When governments world wide shut the spigot to oil production and gasoline is when EVs will take over ice vehicles and that again will be a government made crisis not a natural one.

I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that the majority of people are currently chasing an EV as their next vehicle purchase.
On the flip side, it’s also probably fair to say that the majority of people who ARE buying an EV probably aren’t doing it because of any future mandate. Most of them will likely purchase another vehicle before the mandates kick in.
When exactly do you think your government is aiming to “shut the spigot” on oil and gas production? I’m intrigued by this comment.

 

[sk47]

Nobody is 'mandating' sales of EV's in any country that I know of. Some provide incentives / penalties but you can still buy a Mustang GT in the UK for example even though EV sales are booming.

Hello; Perfect example of deception. Yes, it is true that six or more states in the USA are not mandating we must purchase an EV. Amounts to the same thing tho. The mandates are no ICE can be sold after some date certain. If dealers cannot sell an ICE by law then what will be left.? Only BEV's. No hybrids with an ICE and battery/electric.

 

[sk47]

I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that the majority of people are currently chasing an EV as their next vehicle purchase.
On the flip side, it’s also probably fair to say that the majority of people who ARE buying an EV probably aren’t doing it because of any future mandate. Most of them will likely purchase another vehicle before the mandates kick in.
When exactly do you think your government is aiming to “shut the spigot” on oil and gas production? I’m intrigued by this comment.

Hello; Perhaps not fully shut so far but some measures have already been taken to crank the spigot down some the last two years.

 

[Burkey]

And yet you choose to drive Ford Mustang GT and, oh look, a Lotus Emira ICE vehicle on order. What a miserable mushmouth hypocrite and phony. You claim it’s a man made crises, yet continue to contribute to the crises. How big is your carbon footprint mushmouth. Quit preaching about the environment until you get your own house in order. By the way, how big is that house? Inquiring minds want to know.

This will be fun.
Please explain the hypocrisy.
I‘m fairly certain that you don’t understand the concept properly.
It would be hypocritical if Greg was advocating that people (other than him) shouldn’t be allowed to own and drive ICE cars, but he isn’t doing that, and to my knowledge, there isn’t a government saying that you can’t do that either.
But go ahead, give us a succinct explanation of the hypocrisy you're seeing.

 

[sk47]

You can, but you will be wrong!

That is the reason driving it (fact) and the existence of the problem is factually proven.

You are the one who likes facts!

Hello; The climate/warming stick is being used to push the "green energy" + EV agenda. That the climate changes is not in question. Climate change has been going on since the earth first cooled billions of years ago. The questions are how much change can be laid at the feet of people compared to natural causes. I throw in alternate climate change examples from time to time in threads and rarely get a peep. The other question is how bad is some warming compared to the ice age the climate scientists hammered at me in the 60's and 70's.

But we all or at least many get it. As long as the favored agenda is helped by fear generated by the sky is warming it will be "proven". I spent my life in the sciences and am disgusted about how good science has been corrupted by special interests. The way science was misused during the Covid pandemic episode has opened a lot of eyes.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Perfect example of deception. Yes, it is true that six or more states in the USA are not mandating we must purchase an EV. Amounts to the same thing tho. The mandates are no ICE can be sold after some date certain. If dealers cannot sell an ICE by law then what will be left.? Only BEV's. No hybrids with an ICE and battery/electric.

What the hell are you on about? On the one hand you’re saying that EV’s suck because the batteries fail (implying that ICE cars last forever/have easily replaceable components) and in the next breath you’re complaining that ICE cars won’t last.
Which one is it?
Personally, I plan to own and drive my Mustang for the rest of my life. The government hasn’t yet announced any plans to prevent me from doing so and I see no reason to expect them to do so.
I will also own an EV at some point, primarily for my daily driving.
You CAN in fact lower your emissions, comply with government regulations reduce your daily running costs and still enjoy the benefits of owning an ICE.
You seem to live in this strange world where it’s all or nothing and I just can’t see how you get there.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Perhaps not fully shut so far but some measures have already been taken to crank the spigot down some the last two years.

Can you be more specific?

 

[sk47]

What the hell are you on about? On the one hand you’re saying that EV’s suck because the batteries fail (implying that ICE cars last forever/have easily replaceable components) and in the next breath you’re complaining that ICE cars won’t last.
Which one is it?
Personally, I plan to own and drive my Mustang for the rest of my life. The government hasn’t yet announced any plans to prevent me from doing so and I see no reason to expect them to do so.
I will also own an EV at some point, primarily for my daily driving.
You CAN in fact lower your emissions, comply with government regulations reduce your daily running costs and still enjoy the benefits of owning an ICE.
You seem to live in this strange world where it’s all or nothing and I just can’t see how you get there.

Hello; Too many false comments to derail the thread to address them all. Just the more obvious. The post of mine you rail at was about no ICE sales mandates due to go into effect starting in 2030 some places (states).

 

[sk47]

Can you be more specific?

Hello; An exec order to stop completion of the keystone pipeline two years ago for one. The volume of oil that pipeline could have moved would have been much more than the volume currently shipped in rail tankers.

The slow rolling of oil lease permits ins another. Some months ago the required paperwork was halted due to "math" problems. That went on for over six months I think. In fact I have not seen that the issues are resolved. The red tape slow down of paperwork.

Guess i could throw in video those in charge promising to stop all fossil fuel use, but we went thru that some months ago. Guess you keep forgetting.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Too many false comments to derail the thread to address them all. Just the more obvious. The post of mine you rail at was about no ICE sales mandates due to go into effect starting in 2030 some places (states).

I’m sorry that you think they are “false comments”.
To be clear, you said that one of the issues with EV’s was that that battery replacement was prohibitively expensive.
You also said that ICE cars can have their engines replaced economically.
If that’s the case, you should be able to continue to own an ICE vehicle for MANY years after the mandates take effect.
Yes or no?
I understand that you might not be able to see the flaws in your logic, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
One of your premises must be wrong. Which one is it?

Guess i could throw in video those in charge promising to stop all fossil fuel use, but we went thru that some months ago. Guess you keep forgetting

I’ll admit, I haven't seen anyone suggesting that ALL fossil fuel use will cease. If you could link me to it (for science, not politics), that would be appreciated.
It would be unlikely that you’d cop a ban for it given that we aren’t talking about whether a policy is good/bad but rather clarifying whether or not the evidence backs up the claim you’re making.
Put differently, if I was to claim that the former president said that the moon was made from cheese, it would be fair to post the video of him saying that if a forum member requested the link. Evidence, not opinion.

 

[AZlb5.0]

I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that the majority of people are currently chasing an EV as their next vehicle purchase.
On the flip side, it’s also probably fair to say that the majority of people who ARE buying an EV probably aren’t doing it because of any future mandate. Most of them will likely purchase another vehicle before the mandates kick in.
When exactly do you think your government is aiming to “shut the spigot” on oil and gas production? I’m intrigued by this comment.

Right now by 2035 states like California and other “Blue” states are mandating the shut down of sales of ICE vehicles. Now think about it. California the 4th largest economy in the world shutting down the sales of ICE vehicles will definitely impact many carmakers and markets. By 2050 world governments want to cut oil sales to a world wide net amount of 25million barrels a day.

Plus the fact that here in the US there will be no more refineries built and many will more than likely close by the target of 2050. I do not see regular folks driving any ICE vehicles after that.

 

[sk47]

I’m sorry that you think they are “false comments”.
To be clear, you said that one of the issues with EV’s was that that battery replacement was prohibitively expensive.
You also said that ICE cars can have their engines replaced economically.
If that’s the case, you should be able to continue to own an ICE vehicle for MANY years after the mandates take effect.
Yes or no?
I understand that you might not be able to see the flaws in your logic, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
One of your premises must be wrong. Which one is it?


I’ll admit, I haven't seen anyone suggesting that ALL fossil fuel use will cease. If you could link me to it (for science, not politics), that would be appreciated.
It would be unlikely that you’d cop a ban for it given that we aren’t talking about whether a policy is good/bad but rather clarifying whether or not the evidence backs up the claim you’re making.
Put differently, if I was to claim that the former president said that the moon was made from cheese, it would be fair to post the video of him saying that if a forum member requested the link. Evidence, not opinion.

Hello; Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Many posts ago some actual video of him saying the words were linked and posted. You were pulling the same stunt then as now. And yes, it was to you in particular we presented the evidence to. Too bad you cannot recall.

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