GM is pulling back on EVs

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[AZlb5.0]

So is enslaving Africans and children worth the future of humanity?

 

[Gregs24]

The forth type of person sums it up...

We are still with the early adopters... those who expect a skip to their phase can cry on....

I would actually say EV's are at the 'scale' stage in many countries now.

 

[Gregs24]

No idea who the guy being interviewed is but he clearly has done very little research on the subject, or spoken to people who know the subject - but hey it is on the Joe Rogan show so not even worth wasting time over. Watch what you want that makes you feel better, but don't for one minute think it is a 'useful source of research'!

 

[Gregs24]

So is enslaving Africans and children worth the future of humanity?

It seems to have been the case for decades including in the fossil fuel industry.

Did you get worried about slavery when you bought your last mobile phone?

Did you get worried about slavery when you bought your last pair of shoes?

Did you get worried about slavery when you bought your last shirt?

Quite a lot to put things into perspective. Amazing how people can get so self righteous over something they don't like or want but turn a blind eye when they need a new phone etc.

 

[TexasMetallic5.0]

No idea who the guy being interviewed is but he clearly has done very little research on the subject, or spoken to people who know the subject - but hey it is on the Joe Rogan show so not even worth wasting time over. Watch what you want that makes you feel better, but don't for one minute think it is a 'useful source of research'!

Peter Zeihan is a global energy, demographic and security expert. He must not be Mustang6g internet troll approved.

 

[Gregs24]

Peter Zeihan is a global energy, demographic and security expert. He must not be Mustang6g internet troll approved.

A geopolitical analyst with a degree in Politics - just the person to make scientific judgements on EV's and how they are powered. Anyway a Joe Rogan interview is no place to start a discussion on anything.

As soon as he said most EV's run on electricity generated by coal it was clear he was click bating. He should get his facts straight before making silly comments like that.

 

[Burkey]

it is all about the rapidness of the change, which happened with volcanic activity that wiped out 85% of all living species back then and is similar to the rapid change we are responsible for in the present.

the humans can read up here:

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2...-when-co2-was-extremely-high-why-cant-humans/

The dinosaurs also didn’t have to worry about their farming land, homes and infrastructure going underwater.…so there’s that as well.

If the water rose to some of the heights of the Jurassic (or or other periods), I’d hate to think about what it might cost to replace all of that.
We aren’t just talking about a sea level of rise of a few metres..

“The updated long-term curve indicates that there was a general rise of sea level through the Jurassic that began close to a level similar to or below the present-day mean sea level (pdmsl) in the early Jurassic, culminating in the peak high in the late Kimmeridgian–early Tithonian interval, before stabilizing in the earliest Cretaceous at ~110 m above pdmsl.”

Link here:
https://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/science/G359A/article.htm

 

[Burkey]

Wasn't NYC supposed to be underwater by now?

But yea, trust away.

Not according to climate scientists. I mean yeah sure, Al Gore may have said that, but he’s hardly an expert on the matter.

The IPCC report from 1990 predicted a sea level rise of 4.5mm/yr from 1990-2030. 45mm per decade…180mm in total to 2030. Yes, 7 inches.
I feel like there may be some sensationalism taking place somewhere.

 

[Gregs24]

Not according to climate scientists. I mean yeah sure, Al Gore may have said that, but he’s hardly an expert on the matter.

The IPCC report from 1990 predicted a sea level rise of 4.5mm/yr from 1990-2030. 45mm per decade…180mm in total to 2030. Yes, 7 inches.
I feel like there may be some sensationalism taking place somewhere.

Having said that don't underestimate the effect of that. 7" doesn't sound much but globally that is a VAST amount of water. Seawater flooding events render land useless and cause huge damage, and of course if you live at sea level as many do then that 7" means the difference between flooding and not.

Anyway I don't know why I am bothering writing this as I know you understand and I know one of the ones I ignore never will!

 

[K4fxd]

I feel like there may be some sensationalism taking place somewhere.

Here in the US the sensationalism is what is being taught to our kids. We have high school kids who think the world is going to end in 12 years.

Until this practice stops the credibility of all sources suffer.

It wasn't just Al gore who said NYC and other parts of the US would be underwater, it was taught in the schools as fact.

 

[sk47]

Hello; So far the champions are avoiding a couple of questions. Let me post them again.

"Quote myself " Next question and perhaps the more important is what benefits can be expected if the agenda of the anti fossil fuel folks is fully put into place right away. I have posed this many times and still wait for responses. I get it is not possible but as an exercise. Say human CO2 goes to zero next week all over the world, when will the benefits of such an action start to take place? Follow up question. If the benefits do eventually take place at what scale will the benefits happen? ""

Hello; Here is part of what I have found. The literature of the anti-fossil fuels folks has stated many times according to their figuring we are stuck with some warming for a minimum of 50 years even if they get their way. Also, if they get their way at maximum effort the temperature savings will be just a small number of degrees.
Interesting how these comments have not gotten the treatment from the champions. My take is because I have a correct take perhaps??
After thinking on it for a while I begin to think this is the most clever attempt to push an agenda so far. The vaccine push during Covid fizzled out after a couple years as facts became known. When many found out you can still catch covid and also still get very ill with the shots the air went out.
With this climate/warming agenda the end date is 50 to 100 years away. So, in our lifetimes there is no end point.

 

[sk47]

Not according to climate scientists. I mean yeah sure, Al Gore may have said that, but he’s hardly an expert on the matter.

The IPCC report from 1990 predicted a sea level rise of 4.5mm/yr from 1990-2030. 45mm per decade…180mm in total to 2030. Yes, 7 inches.
I feel like there may be some sensationalism taking place somewhere.

Hello; Gotta love how Gore is tossed away after some of his end date predictions did not materialize. All of a sudden he is not qualified. Hope i live long enough to see Gretta cast aside.

A thing is during pre-human climate changes sea levels rose and fell. One theory popular for a while was that humans took advantage of Ice Age low sea levels to walk across an exposed land bridge to get from Europe areas to the Americas.

I even understand the desire to maintain a status quo with regards to costal cities. Seven inches will indeed seriously affect costal areas. Greatest during spring tides and storm surge events. Here is another way to look at it, at least from the sea rise point of view. Use one of the greatest skills humans have. That is to adapt.
We can hope the opportunity cost is not lost to adapt. What is that cost. Say we bankrupt ourselves trying to build up a "green" & anti-fossil fuels future too quickly and have little or no wealth left to adapt.
Per my previous questions that some warming/climate change are already baked into the scenario, saving some wealth for adaption might make sense.

 

[sk47]

Yet Another EV Startup Begins Laying Off Staff to Stay Afloat (msn.com)
Hello; not much new here. Just another EV startup in financial trouble to add to the list. I do have a thought. Say each EV company winds up with a battery pack/technology exclusive to it's own vehicles. Then when some of these startups fail the consumer is likely to be holding the bag so to speak.

At some point standardizing ought to be part of the scheme. Sort of like any ICE vehicle can fuel up at any service station. I do not know if battery packs can be made to be universal, but that would be a big deal if possible.
Anyway, another thing to add to the list of things to look for if i ever have to pick an EV. What got me thinking about this is the variety of battery power tools I have with different chargers and specific batteries.
I thought i was going to build up a set of hand power tools one or two at a time a few years ago but Wal-Mart stopped carrying the brand and now have a new make. .

 

[key01]

Yet Another EV Startup Begins Laying Off Staff to Stay Afloat (msn.com)
Hello; not much new here. Just another EV startup in financial trouble to add to the list. I do have a thought. Say each EV company winds up with a battery pack/technology exclusive to it's own vehicles. Then when some of these startups fail the consumer is likely to be holding the bag so to speak.

At some point standardizing ought to be part of the scheme. Sort of like any ICE vehicle can fuel up at any service station. I do not know if battery packs can be made to be universal, but that would be a big deal if possible.
Anyway, another thing to add to the list of things to look for if i ever have to pick an EV. What got me thinking about this is the variety of battery power tools I have with different chargers and specific batteries.
I thought i was going to build up a set of hand power tools one or two at a time a few years ago but Wal-Mart stopped carrying the brand and now have a new make. .

Quite literally hundreds of American car companies failed at ICE production. Give it time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_automobile_manufacturers_of_the_United_States

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