GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

Lightyear’s Operating Company Enters Bankruptcy (msn.com)
Hello; OK. Well maybe it is just two EV companies having unique problems???

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[sk47]

Nope. Exceedingy low levels of snark detected in that post, Captain.

Hello; No need to be critical of the lad. He has done much better in the past. Perhaps just an off day??

 

[sk47]

I’d probably have done the same. Are these rolling blackouts a common feature in the US?

Hello; I may be wrong but think my area had it first rolling blackouts due to supply/demand issues back around Christmas. A TVA area (Tennessee Valley Authority). I am where TN, KY and VA touch on a map. The tristate marker is not far from my home. The last few years power companies in my area have several times asked us to conserve during hot or cold spells but Last December was the first rolling blackout I know of.
As far as the rest of the country goes there have been more blackouts reported in the last few years. I do not know if this is simply more reporting or actual increase in power grid supply blackouts.
I am not talking about ordinary failures such as storm taking down lines or accidents. These are not the grid failing to meet demand.

I understand some will not accept my take about this, which is adding more EV's which will increase demand a great deal when the grid already struggles is not a sound idea. I get that it ticks off the boxes for the "agenda". But doing something dumb because it "feels" good does not alter the fact the grid will not be up to snuff more and more often during peak demand times.

 

[key01]

Here comes the price wars:

Ford cuts prices on electric Mustang Mach-E, following Tesla's lead
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/30/for...are|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

 

[GT 550]

No need to be critical of the lad

It wasn't.

 

[K4fxd]

Here comes the price wars:

BEV"s are a fad.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

The current and future environmental crises. As long as it’s not in our backyard. (sarcasm)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ic-Republic-Congo-power-Apple-Tesla-more.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future

 

[sk47]

The current and future environmental crises. As long as it’s not in our backyard. (sarcasm)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ic-Republic-Congo-power-Apple-Tesla-more.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future

Hello; Somehow these horrendous conditions are to be overlooked. I have noted a number of times information negative to the agenda and/or EV's gets nary a pip out of some. Your sarcasm is noted and well done.

 

[tripleyellowmustang]

UK - Muh freedom of speech.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cluding-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

 

[sk47]

UK - Muh freedom of speech.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cluding-Peter-Hitchens-suspected-watched.html

Hello; Good read and a warning.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; I may be wrong but think my area had it first rolling blackouts due to supply/demand issues back around Christmas. A TVA area (Tennessee Valley Authority). I am where TN, KY and VA touch on a map. The tristate marker is not far from my home. The last few years power companies in my area have several times asked us to conserve during hot or cold spells but Last December was the first rolling blackout I know of.
As far as the rest of the country goes there have been more blackouts reported in the last few years. I do not know if this is simply more reporting or actual increase in power grid supply blackouts.
I am not talking about ordinary failures such as storm taking down lines or accidents. These are not the grid failing to meet demand.

I understand some will not accept my take about this, which is adding more EV's which will increase demand a great deal when the grid already struggles is not a sound idea. I get that it ticks off the boxes for the "agenda". But doing something dumb because it "feels" good does not alter the fact the grid will not be up to snuff more and more often during peak demand times.

You’re right, EV’s will add pressure on the system. I don’t think anyone here is trying to suggest otherwise.
In my mind, it looks like the infrastructure in your area is due for an upgrade anyway, meaning that the cost of upgrading to projected EV consumption won’t be that great when you allow for the bare minimum upgrades that are already required.

This is assuming that the culprit is conductor size/capacity (many other reasons may exist) in which case, the cost of the conductor itself represents very little in the scheme of the work required. Eg. If the power company needed to move to 7/3.00 at a bare minimum but instead opted to move to 19/3.75 (number of strands followed by metric diameter of each strand), the cost of the conductor might triple, but would still only represent perhaps <10% of the project cost. The underlying assumption here being that the existing poles are able to adequately support the conductor, which may or may not be the case. Yes, lots of assumptions on my part.

Point being, the cost of upgrading for EV’s (provided that an upgrade is ALREADY needed), can be quite small. Very different if things are just fine as they are or if the poles themselves are engineered to a bare minimum standard and consequently need replacing.

 

[Burkey]

Hello; Somehow these horrendous conditions are to be overlooked. I have noted a number of times information negative to the agenda and/or EV's gets nary a pip out of some. Your sarcasm is noted and well done.

No, they’re not to be overlooked. Conditions should be improved, along with the environmental impact.
Having said that, the same people who suggest that we shouldn’t be using cheap labour that comes off the back of people who aren't entitled to the same arrangements we’re accustomed too, don’t seem all that worried about other things being produced in sub-standard working conditions. Nor do they seem too worried about the environmental impact of drilling for fossil fuels, or the result of the burning of those fossil fuels.

Hypocrisy would be comfortably sitting at home in a pair of sweatshop sneakers/shirt/whatever without even giving it a second thought while clutching pearls in reaction to lithium mining practices in the third world and beyond.

Ironically, these are often the same people who think that a gas pipeline is a great idea. Yeah, that wouldn’t have environmental consequences…..
They’re also often the same people who advocate for less government control and a free market. Well, guess what? This is what happens when the government exercises less power and the market is left to dictate terms and conditions….

Fortunately, none of us here are doing that though right?

 

[GT 550]

They’re also often the same people who advocate for less government control and a free market. Well, guess what? This is what happens when the government exercises less power and the market is left to dictate terms and conditions….

100% and we happily walked into it and got taken to the cleaners. Put Dracula (Angus?) in charge of the blood bank...

This was from 5 years (!) ago:

 

[Burkey]

100% and we happily walked into it and got taken to the cleaners. Put Dracula (Angus?) in charge of the blood bank...

This was from 5 years (!) ago:

1. Clarke and Dawes should be a national treasure.
2. Yup, privatisation hasn’t yielded many benefits to the consumer as far as I can tell. .

 

[K4fxd]

You’re right, EV’s will add pressure on the system. I don’t think anyone here is trying to suggest otherwise.
In my mind, it looks like the infrastructure in your area is due for an upgrade anyway, meaning that the cost of upgrading to projected EV consumption won’t be that great when you allow for the bare minimum upgrades that are already required.

The problem here is we are shutting down perfectly good power plants and we are not replacing the lost generating capacity, while increasing demand.

A recipe for disaster.

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