GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

I do. But I don't think you understand what 'politics' means. Calling a post political just because you happen to disagree with it doesn't necessarily make it so.
Feel free to report it if you wish.

Most European countries are essentially socialist, and this socialist bias gets more and more extreme as you go further to the north

If the government says, "electric cars are good, gas is bad", then people will buy electric cars, and if this requires changes to their daily routine, so be it. In northern countries what the government says, goes

Clearly political comments as they are using politics to define your (incorrect) point. But we know from previous posts that you struggle with authority and being 'told what to do' as well as demonstrating blatant racism, so it comes as no surprise that you like to blame everything you see as wrong on governments that you dislike.

And to prove your basic point wrong....

Norway (a country in Northern Europe with very high EV uptake) has been dominated by centrist politics for years (including at present where there is a centre left / centrist coalition which took over from a slightly right of centre coalition in 2021) and is deemed one of the most democratic countries in the worlds and a population that is one of the happiest in the world. Doesn't fit in with your narrative does it?

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[Vlad Soare]

Greg, I'm not going to debate the finer points of the European "centrist" democracies with you, as this wasn't my intention. All I wanted was to give Jeff an idea of how Europeans tend to think about these things. And I think he's got it now, so continuing to argue on this subject would be worthless. You're entitled to your opinions as I am to mine.
Ironically, your strong support for government mandates and restrictions of any kind, coupled with virulent attacks against anyone who questions them or resents being told what to do, does nothing to refute my point (quite the contrary, I'd say). But never mind that. Let's gloss over it.

You and I have known each other, albeit just virtually, for quite some time now. You've been very helpful to me on the TalkFord forum. You encouraged me to buy a Mustang, dismissed all my fears, answered all my questions and, last but not least, recommended this forum to me. That I'm driving the car of my dreams today is partly thanks to you. I'm really grateful to you for this and, although the tone of some of my posts doesn't show it, I do respect you.
However, there are a few things on which we will never agree. Can we just agree to disagree and move on? It seems to me that whenever you reply to a post of mine, you often do it either to express your disgust, or to make it ultimately a point about me personally. Wouldn't it be better for both of us if you just ignored me? You will never change my mind, and I will never change yours, so let's just stop trying and go back to enjoying our Mustangs while we still can.

 

[K4fxd]

Vlad. This is Greg's M.O. He calls a post political, then baits a person into a debate, then gets that person banned for politics.

Good job not taking the bait.

 

[sk47]

Florida Drivers Discover Hard Truth About EVs: They Eat Tires (msn.com)

Hello; One of the advantages, perhaps the only real one, of an EV is the instant torque an electric motor can produce. Lots of torque from zero will spin tires if there is enough horsepower at hand. At least one forum member who owns an EV has praised this aspect. Quick acceleration without having to build up engine RPM's as with an ICE. I guess drag racing covers this well enough.

I get it. When young I thought the better car was the one which could launch hard and spin the tires the most. So, if quick starts from zero is a goal, then an EV may satisfy. There is a price for this acceleration prowess, that being tire wear. Not news to a dedicated drag racer but perhaps to someone new to the EV life.
I am guessing as I have yet to drive an EV, but suspect that instant torque must happen to some degree in even modest driving. I have been thinking there must be some sort of throttle control in an EV setup so that the motor power can be applied gradually. I guess we can punch it if we wish.

I wound up with a lightweight car having something like 75 to 80 HP at one point. Being light it was not exactly slow but would not win drag races. The advantage was in the handling. Living in the low mountains of southeastern KY back when most roads were two-lane and twisty I could walk away from high powered muscle cars. Even passed a few on the inside of curves.
My point being I do not picture an EV being such a car. I get the heavy battery pack can be set in the chassis low which is beneficial for handling. Low center of gravity. Not clear to me how they might overcome the extra weight.

 

[gone_n_60]

this just in.... gas on the fire? https://news.yahoo.com/west-humiliating-electric-car-climbdown-165738223.html

 

[EFI]

gas on the fire?

Lol that pun was definitely intended huh?

 

[sk47]

this just in.... gas on the fire? https://news.yahoo.com/west-humiliating-electric-car-climbdown-165738223.html

"...and we need to relearn all the lessons in why grand, state-led industrial strategies never work."

 

[gone_n_60]

Lol that pun was definitely intended huh?

Oh yeah!

 

[key01]

Unfortunately, the economics is still hard to justify and it should have been getting better by now. The cost of most EVs are still high and the insurance companies are now charging big premiums for them. Insurance companies never miss an opportunity to gouge. A big let down to everyone involved in the development along with the hopeful consumer. I think we need a complete do over.

 

[sk47]

Unfortunately, the economics is still hard to justify and it should have been getting better by now. The cost of most EVs are still high and the insurance companies are now charging big premiums for them. Insurance companies never miss an opportunity to gouge. A big let down to everyone involved in the development along with the hopeful consumer. I think we need a complete do over.

Hello; Curious about the complete do over idea on several levels. I cannot really begin to envision such a thing. The physics of EV's cannot be changed.
I guess the mandates, incentives and other such top down issues can be changed for the better.

My take on insurance companies has been slightly less critical than yours, although I get those in that business want to make money. I do not picture insurance companies as other than necessary evils. They (insurance companies) did the same sort of thing to high performance cars back around the 1970's. Helped kill off the HP wars among the big three. Cost too much for most to keep a big horsepower car insured. Kept me out of the game at the time. I did not like it back then as i did not have the price of admission.
Another take of mine is the realities of EV's not only make them expensive but a risk to insure. They cost a lot to repair may be the bigger thing over the fire issue.

I am guessing blind as to what the do over might be. Please tell.

 

[gone_n_60]

Hello; Curious about the complete do over idea on several levels. I cannot really begin to envision such a thing. The physics of EV's cannot be changed.
I guess the mandates, incentives and other such top down issues can be changed for the better.

My take on insurance companies has been slightly less critical than yours, although I get those in that business want to make money. I do not picture insurance companies as other than necessary evils. They (insurance companies) did the same sort of thing to high performance cars back around the 1970's. Helped kill off the HP wars among the big three. Cost too much for most to keep a big horsepower car insured. Kept me out of the game at the time. I did not like it back then as i did not have the price of admission.
Another take of mine is the realities of EV's not only make them expensive but a risk to insure. They cost a lot to repair may be the bigger thing over the fire issue.

I am guessing blind as to what the do over might be. Please tell.

the high rate of Insurance companies totaling EV's that have been in "fixable" accidents is part of the problem. If my 2015 Passat runs into a Honda and needs $3700 to repair it's because the parts. labor and supplies (paint, etc.) are priced within reason to fix up a car that sells for maybe $14,000. But a EV with same damage may cost up to $23,000 for parts. labor and supplies but resale value is now $33,000. Better to total it, except for the owner who's stuck with a EV that cost $48000 new and now has no car. Fairness disclaimer: there are plenty of resources the claim this is not the case via statistics and yet there are plenty of sources like Reuters that have press claiming that it is the case in EV's with damaged batteries. So either way it's a problem/

 

[Gregs24]

this just in.... gas on the fire? https://news.yahoo.com/west-humiliating-electric-car-climbdown-165738223.html

Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA

Are electric vehicle sales really losing their charge? | The Week UK

Of course there are other views and evidence to back them up with less sensationalist headlines. Just look at the ludicrous comment in the Yahoo document you posted, Volvo is 'winding down Polestar' (something that suggests Polestar is actually closing down) whereas the reality is that Polestar will be funded by Geely (who part own Volvo) to allow greater investment and then Volvo will concentrate their own investment on their own EV car plans, which increased sales by 70% last year together with the companies most profitable year. Not quite the same story is it?

Volvo Cars cuts off Polestar ... (eenewseurope.com)

Try delving beyond the sensationalist honey pots

 

[sk47]

Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA

Are electric vehicle sales really losing their charge? | The Week UK

Of course there are other views and evidence to back them up with less sensationalist headlines. Just look at the ludicrous comment in the Yahoo document you posted, Volvo is 'winding down Polestar' (something that suggests Polestar is actually closing down) whereas the reality is that Polestar will be funded by Geely (who part own Volvo) to allow greater investment and then Volvo will concentrate their own investment on their own EV car plans, which increased sales by 70% last year together with the companies most profitable year. Not quite the same story is it?

Volvo Cars cuts off Polestar ... (eenewseurope.com)

Try delving beyond the sensationalist honey pots

Hello; Seems somewhat like the old parable of blind guys describing an elephant by touch might apply to EV's.

Here is another take on Polestar.

Volvo Is Cutting Its Polestar EV Startup Loose (msn.com)

 

[K4fxd]

I was wondering when Greg would chime in and say Volvo getting rid of Polestar is another sign of BEV's dominating the marketplace. LOL

Looks like Renault is dropping EV's also

 

[sk47]

I was wondering when Greg would chime in and say Volvo getting rid of Polestar is another sign of BEV's dominating the marketplace. LOL

Looks like Renault is dropping EV's also

Hello; I had considered predicting such a post but did not as I thought we were all on ignore.

On another EV topic I saw today that most all the Teslas have some sort of common issue with warning lights. Anyway, seems they are not to be driven until fixed. I went to look at a 1964 GTO back in December. While at the seller's house noticed Teslas next door. Seems the couple living next door had two Teslas as their only vehicles. I wonder what they will do?

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