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[K4fxd]

Europe is also re-starting coal plants.

I think it is Poland where much of the population is burning coal in individual homes. Gotta have heat.

Now I'd much rather see coal burned in commercial power plants that have scrubbers on the smoke stacks then to see people burning coal and wood with no scrubbers.

The problem in the US is we are closing plants without adding capacity to offset the loss. This is totally due to politics so I really cannot comment further.

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[kz]

Europe is also re-starting coal plants.

I think it is Poland where much of the population is burning coal in individual homes. Gotta have heat.

Check how it's working out for them. Krakow is one of the worst polluted city in the world and it does not have that much industry. Coal is a losing proposition - coal mining lobby is super strong so mines are kept alive by pouring money into them - mostly because whoever closes them will immediately lose elections. Nuclear powerplant is attempted to be built for 30 years now. All of this is poor planning, politics and stupidity. And please don't argue with me about Poland, I was born there.

 

[Gregs24]

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Me: Most of the developed world has a higher concentration of RE than the US and they don’t seem to be struggling with blackouts.

You: China is installing coal plants.

Not sure how China installing coal plants disproves the idea that most of the other developed nations aren’t having the problems the US is having, despite their higher RE mix.

Non sequitur much?

China is investing massively in renewables of course

Column: China’s fast-growing renewables limit coal generation | Reuters

 

[K4fxd]

Check how it's working out for them.

That zoomed right over your head.

 

[sk47]

Check how it's working out for them. Krakow is one of the worst polluted city in the world and it does not have that much industry. Coal is a losing proposition - coal mining lobby is super strong so mines are kept alive by pouring money into them - mostly because whoever closes them will immediately lose elections. Nuclear powerplant is attempted to be built for 30 years now. All of this is poor planning, politics and stupidity. And please don't argue with me about Poland, I was born there.

Hello; I do not think many will argue that coal burns clean. It can be cleaned up some at a power plant as a point source with the tech used in the smokestacks. Better than individual houses.
A main point is we have to have heat in the winter to stay alive. So burning coal, wood, oil natural gas keeps us warm and is proven. More important is the coal fired plants are already in place. The carbon debt of their manufacture is already in the air from years ago. Keep them in place as a just in case backup. Maybe they will not be used at all eventually if and when the "green energy" sources come online and become reliable.

What seems to be the plan of some "green energy" advocates is to do away with all fossil fuel power plants even cleaner natural gas and have no backup. Maybe like the Titanic without any lifeboats. Full steam ahead thru the North Atlantic hoping we miss all the icebergs.

When it gets down to it i do not care how my electricity is generated. I do care that is be reliable and a reasonable cost. The sensible way to change over would be to replace the old power plants as they wear out, not tear down functioning plants for a cause.

 

[K4fxd]

When it gets down to it i do not care how my electricity is generated. I do care that is be reliable and a reasonable cost.

I agree but I would add I don't want to destroy our views by having windmills everywhere. I also don't want to destroy many square miles of farm land, forest, or desert for solar panels.

 

[sk47]

I agree but I would add I don't want to destroy our views by having windmills everywhere. I also don't want to destroy many square miles of farm land, forest, or desert for solar panels.

Hello; I can agree with this sentiment as well. Given a choice in a more perfect world the scene in the picture you posted would not be close to where people live. A trade off to have power I would not like to have to make.
Burning a fossil fuel has its own trade offs. We know a lot about the environmental effects after a few hundred years.
We do not yet know all the trade offs from solar and wind farms. There are some to be sure.

I guess some of our champions look at the picture and like what they see. I do not. Guess i could deal with it if it was what kept me alive during winter.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Sooo, because your grid is struggling, it MUST be the fault of renewable energy? In other news, ice cream sales go up in warmer months, which means that the consumption of ice cream must cause the sun to get hotter….

Do you have any idea whatsoever just how far behind the US is in renewables, when compared to most 1st world countries? Ever wondered why they aren’t having these problems?

Seems to me that if the outages are due to a lack of supply, the obvious solution is to generate more power….

They are having these problems, because if the b/s green energy was worth a dam they not have to use N/G and the war would be a non issue to them .
Funny how facts don't follow your narrative EVER.

 

[RagmopInKona]

Plus of course the cheapest way to generate electricity is renewables such as solar and wind.

Total b/s. Wind units last 5-10 years, the servicing to keep them on line is very costly, the land solar and wind take up is not free.
A good % of the wind installed are not generating anything and need repair or off line because wind speed to high or not enough wind.
How you think that solar is working for those in the great white north that the sun can't get through the wild fire smoke.
Just getting the wind unit on site is costly, They cost millions per unit to manufacture.
Cheap it is not and never will be.

 

[jtmat]

Sooo, because your grid is struggling, it MUST be the fault of renewable energy? In other news, ice cream sales go up in warmer months, which means that the consumption of ice cream must cause the sun to get hotter….

Do you have any idea whatsoever just how far behind the US is in renewables, when compared to most 1st world countries? Ever wondered why they aren’t having these problems?

Seems to me that if the outages are due to a lack of supply, the obvious solution is to generate more power….

sk47 keeps telling the same non-factual story every other post about blackouts. I've debunked this several threads back, but he lives in his own world... so.....

I lived in the grid he is speaking and still have friends there. No issues. They had issues during the winter due to a historical story caused by... wait for it... global warming. Ha ha ha... but, you know, that does not exist.

Never know what will come of out of this thread. Next they will all claim to be successful business people.

 

[RagmopInKona]

I agree but I would add I don't want to destroy our views by having windmills everywhere. I also don't want to destroy many square miles of farm land, forest, or desert for solar panels.

Sorry no food for you, we need the land to maybe if it is sunny or windy to produce power and you will gladly pay 5 to 10 times the cost per kwh while Store shelves are empty of food staples because we used all the land for green energy and ethanol.

 

[RagmopInKona]

sk47 keeps telling the same non-factual story every other post about blackouts. I've debunked this several threads back, but he lives in his own world... so.....

I lived in the grid he is speaking and still have friends there. No issues. They had issues during the winter due to a historical story caused by... wait for it... global warming. Ha ha ha... but, you know, that does not exist.

Never know what will come of out of this thread. Next they will all claim to be successful business people.

Right, the Governor does not hold press meetings with the media if there isn't an issue.
Nothing to see here, move along.

 

[jtmat]

Right, the Governor does not hold press meetings with the media if there isn't an issue.
Nothing to see here, move along.

What are you rambling on about? Ha ha ha... oh, goodness. Just get in from the bar?

 

[RagmopInKona]

What they seem to gloss over is what is reflecting the suns rays back is going to do long term .

 

[RagmopInKona]

What are you rambling on about? Ha ha ha... oh, goodness. Just get in from the bar?

It is 2:30pm maybe you start drinking in the Am, but most don't.

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