GM is pulling back on EVs

[sk47]

Nothing does in reality. Oil still receives subsidies and tax breaks in the billions of dollars

Or do you think everything else stands on its own.

This conversation would go better if there were a real argument against EVs, decisions made, etc.

I keep hearing the same tired arguments.

They buy lots of them it seems.

Status quo is not an option because the subsidised oil industry is already controlling YOU.

Hello; from a post of my own in the last few days. Seems both of you have missed or ignored this link much as you always do when your pet notions are debunked. There are more details in the link if you take time to read. I will quote them if you continue to make erroneous claims.

Debunking another misleading green energy study (msn.com)
“There are three basic problems with the study.”

“First, it so broadly defines “subsidy” as to be completely meaningless. In fact, the study states that only 8% of its reported costs reflect actual, direct subsidies. The rest predominantly comes from the amorphous “undercharging for environmental costs” that supposedly occur from the extraction, refining, transportation, and use of fossil fuels. Such environmental costs include “underpricing for local air pollution” (42%) and “global warming costs” (29%). What’s left goes to the equally tenuous congestion and road accidents costs (15%) and forgone tax revenues (6%).”

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[Burkey]

Hello; these two posts are rich. The first long attempt to squirm away from what you suggested failed. Thing is when you hint at suicide harm is intended. In fact not too long ago a girl was convicted and sentenced for telling a boy to kill himself long distance. By text i think.

The second post is more your normal style.

It’s sad that you interpreted the message that way. But, it’s fairly telling of how you view me.

I once stepped in a dog turd with both shoes. Now, because I’m not an idiot, I took the time to clean both shoes rather than just one of them.
The analogy is that a while back, I placed a user on ignore (wiped the dog turd off one shoe), but failed (like an idiot) to remove the turd from the other shoe.

So, I’m now wiping the other shoe.
Goodbye.

 

[sk47]

It’s sad that you interpreted the message that way. But, it’s fairly telling of how you view me.

I once stepped in a dog turd with both shoes. Now, because I’m not an idiot, I took the time to clean both shoes rather than just one of them.
The analogy is that a while back, I placed a user on ignore (wiped the dog turd off one shoe), but failed (like an idiot) to remove the turd from the other shoe.

So, I’m now wiping the other shoe.
Goodbye.

Hello; I will try to miss you. Interesting that you appear to hold me at a higher level of esteem than I do you.

 

[sk47]

Hello; from a post of my own in the last few days. Seems both of you have missed or ignored this link much as you always do when your pet notions are debunked. There are more details in the link if you take time to read. I will quote them if you continue to make erroneous claims.

Debunking another misleading green energy study (msn.com)
“There are three basic problems with the study.”

“First, it so broadly defines “subsidy” as to be completely meaningless. In fact, the study states that only 8% of its reported costs reflect actual, direct subsidies. The rest predominantly comes from the amorphous “undercharging for environmental costs” that supposedly occur from the extraction, refining, transportation, and use of fossil fuels. Such environmental costs include “underpricing for local air pollution” (42%) and “global warming costs” (29%). What’s left goes to the equally tenuous congestion and road accidents costs (15%) and forgone tax revenues (6%).”

Hello; More from the link.


First, it so broadly defines “subsidy” as to be completely meaningless. In fact, the study states that only 8% of its reported costs reflect actual, direct subsidies. The rest predominantly comes from the amorphous “undercharging for environmental costs” that supposedly occur from the extraction, refining, transportation, and use of fossil fuels. Such environmental costs include “underpricing for local air pollution” (42%) and “global warming costs” (29%). What’s left goes to the equally tenuous congestion and road accidents costs (15%) and forgone tax revenues (6%).

Though characterizing any of these so-called indirect subsidies as a pro-hydrocarbon bias is problematic, we will focus on the undercharging environmental costs, which are divided between global warming and local air pollution, because they represent the preponderance of their calculations.

The problems with the global warming number are many. For example, there is virtually no evidence that man-made global warming is having any costly impact on today’s world. The real costs, if one buys into global warming alarmism, come in the future—thus the study relies on the extremely tenuous and theoretical social cost of carbon calculations.

As my Heritage Foundation colleague Kevin Dayaratna has pointed out, the use of the social cost of carbon is so unreliable that it is virtually useless as a basis for public policy.

 

[sk47]

These are all of the states charging EV owners extra fees just for going electric (msn.com)

 

[K4fxd]

I searched out oil company sibsidies. Seem they get the same breaks all business get. Depreciation ect.....

 

[martinjlm]

Meanwhile - on topic, China sold over 0.5 million EV's in one month on their domestic market in April. No wonder legacy car makers are desperate to develop their EV's. The pace of change is massive.

On topic?!? What is wrong with you?!?

 

[sk47]

I searched out oil company sibsidies. Seem they get the same breaks all business get. Depreciation ect.....

Hello; That makes sense. Another anti-oil talking point removed. I had questions about the subsidies talk for a long time, just did not personally know much about and had not taken time to search.
My take is ICE subsidies are meager compared to the EV stuff.

 

[sk47]

Ford F-150 Lightning Owner Explains Why He Sold It After 6 Months (msn.com)

Hello; Does this count as two sales?

 

[K4fxd]

More common sense stuff.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rowan-atkinson-says-feels-duped-165545288.html

 

[AZlb5.0]

Still waiting for @JMat to explain to us how my post was wrong.

More common sense stuff.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rowan-atkinson-says-feels-duped-165545288.html

Common sense ideas bring about common sense solutions.

 

[sk47]

14 electric car myths busted (msn.com)

Hello; This is a pro -EV story. Read #5 about the electric grid capacity. The spin is easy enough to rebut but illustrates how reality is not part of the agenda.

 

[sk47]

Still waiting for @JMat to explain to us how my post was wrong.

Common sense ideas bring about common sense solutions.

Hello; That you named him may at least get his attention. By now several of us are ignored by Gregs, Burkey and jtmat. If he follows thru, Burkey put me on ignore yesterday. Of course he has threatened to leave many times before. If jtmat does respond I suspect it will not be a straight answer.

Over the decades I have accumulated tools. In one of my Craftsman tool chests I have two drawers dedicated to screwdrivers. One box of just straight blade type. 50 or more of all different sizes and lengths. Thing is each works well for some jobs but not for others.

Outside of the passion we may have for vehicles at a basic level they are tools. Some of us may have vehicles which are strictly toys. Most of us need to get from A to B and back or maybe move something somewhere.
Looking at an ICE or a BEV as a basic tool might be a way to avoid some of the hype. For some tasks either one could be good enough. I will use my situation as an example. 80%+ of the time I make trips of less than 50 miles, many under 20 miles. Often o get some groceries or small things. A BEV could work just fine.
However, I like to fish and have a small boat. I also do jobs around my property. The last three summers I built a wall next to part of my driveway. I had to haul away lots of rock and dirt and haul in a couple hundred bags of concrete mix. A few times I have had to drive to Knoxville TN about 60 miles away to get loads of materials. This is where a BEV truck is questionable.

What is my point? I can see how a BEV could fit parts of my lifestyle. Example my brother has a gas pressure washer. I bought an electric pressure washer. Things i need to wash are close enough. His PW is stronger and can be used anywhere, but it cost more to buy. Cost is a factor. Hard to justify spending a lot more if the cheaper tool will do the job I need done.
Same for the BEV. Have a BEV which costs a lot less than a similar ICE (without incentives) and I could have one to do local running around.

 

[key01]

Still waiting for @JMat to explain to us how my post was wrong.

Common sense ideas bring about common sense solutions.

If you are talking about your business operations post, there are indeed inaccuracy’s in it. The way C corps are handled as opposed to pass-thru sub chapter S corps. Health insurance is a benefit to an employees salary and not generally taxed as income. Most corporations will pay federal tax, although these amounts can be manipulated like anything else with the tax laws. This discussion is too broad ranged to unpack everything. In 45 years I have founded and acted as the operating principal in two architecture firms, a construction Co., and a development Co., along with a commercial painting company during college. I have had hundreds of employees along with attorneys and accountant consultants to steer through it all.
This is not a dig on your post, but business operations vary quite a bit and cannot be simply explained on a car site.

 

[AZlb5.0]

If you are talking about your business operations post, there are indeed inaccuracy’s in it. The way C corps are handled as opposed to pass-thru sub chapter S corps. Health insurance is a benefit to an employees salary and not generally taxed as income. Most corporations will pay federal tax, although these amounts can be manipulated like anything else with the tax laws. This discussion is too broad ranged to unpack everything. In 45 years I have founded and acted as the operating principal in two architecture firms, a construction Co., and a development Co., along with a commercial painting company during college. I have had hundreds of employees along with attorneys and accountant consultants to steer through it all.
This is not a dig on your post, but business operations vary quite a bit and cannot be simply explained on a car site.

it was my attempt at trying to explain the differences in tax laws and why someone gets taxed differently then how a business gets taxed. You’re right we can have a complete class 2-3 yrs and most folks wound t get it but what it comes down to is that “income tax” is a tax the government exercises on the income you make or earn. Businesses persay don’t earn any income they make or lose a profit that gets turned into an income through paychecks bonuses or perks that the government then taxes.

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