GM is pulling back on EVs

[Gregs24]

There’s no other way to deal with the likes of you.

'The likes of me'

Resorting to insults just demonstrates who / what YOU are not me. Not terribly Christian it would seem!

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[AZlb5.0]

'The likes of me'

Resorting to insults just demonstrates who / what YOU are not me. Not terribly Christian it would seem!

Meh much like my opinion of you doesn’t matter your opinion of me doesn’t fall far behind
Bad Christian bad bad Christian

 

[K4fxd]

If the thread gets closed because of it and I get banned then so be it.

I'd prefer neither one of these happen.

 

[AZlb5.0]

I'd prefer neither one of these happen.

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[kz]

Forum bunch that thinks electric cars will take their freedom away - "GM is pulling back on EVs". Yay, we're winning.

GM : https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/0...escalade-iq-fully-electric-suv-in-new-teaser/

 

[AZlb5.0]

Forum bunch that thinks electric cars will take their freedom away - "GM is pulling back on EVs". Yay, we're winning.

GM : https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/0...escalade-iq-fully-electric-suv-in-new-teaser/

It’s not about electric cars themselves taking freedoms. It’s what government are capable of and have been capable of throughout history when they have control over majority of the populace. Folks like myself hope it doesn’t happen, but history doesn’t give us much sense of peace when it comes to that.

 

[K4fxd]

I have nothing against EV's, except that they are being forced upon us. Give us choice and the best will win.

 

[kz]

I have nothing against EV's, except that they are being forced upon us. Give us choice and the best will win.

Do you think anyone buying an EV right now does it because there's some looming mandate ? Maybe 1 person out of million that is very very special.

I know that's it is highly region dependent but in my area amount of EVs on the roads in last few years keeps growing and growing. There is literally tons of them.

 

[sk47]

Do you think anyone buying an EV right now does it because there's some looming mandate ? Maybe 1 person out of million that is very very special.

I know that's it is highly region dependent but in my area amount of EVs on the roads in last few years keeps growing and growing. There is literally tons of them.

Hello; If you have been keeping up you saw a few posts with reasons why the EV sales are tied to the mandates. Here is a test from the past. Hybrids have been sold for over 20 years. EV's less that that but over ten years I think. EV's have become only marginally better vehicles. Someone go back and see when the surge in EV buying reached an increased peak.
I do not know the answer, but my first guess is after the mandates started. ( Including the effect on the car makers) Other guesses include the constant doom and gloom about the climate with EVs being the saving move.

Two things come to mind. One being what would be the value of all the ads, PBS nature videos and other such EV pushing media if they did not influence buyers.
Another thing is refering to the one in a million you cite. If so many are buying BEV's because of choice without any influence from the mandates, then why do the mandates need to exist at all??? I do not see how you can have it both ways.

A last point for now is how the companies have had to drop models from their lines to be able to make BEV's. I use the Ford Focus as an example. When all they are allowed to sell will soon be BEV's will the cry still be people are buying voluntarily?

I am still amazed that so many EV champions exist on a Mustang forum. But so be it.

 

[sk47]

Researchers Find Unhappy Surprise in Plastic Recycling (msn.com)

Hello; This has to be a major save the planet irony. Not even going to try to stretch it into a negative about EV's or EV battery recycling.

 

[martinjlm]

I'm not sure re oil v electricity. Oil is a global market supplied by a few countries so easily controlled. Electricity is produced locally in local markets. This is already clear when you compare our electricity prices with yours.

Yes, electricity is a local market supplied by a few companies so easily controlled.

Where or who it's controlled from/by is perhaps less important than the fact that such control can be leveraged once a critical mass dependency is established, and that large companies actively scan for such opportunities; if they can't achieve a monpoly/duopoly they'll settle for passive collusion among they key players. I'm also confident that vehicle manufacturers will do everything in their considerable power to control maintenance and repair rights to their advantage in order to avoid another uprising of independent garages.

As I wrote previously, the behaviour of local power companies during the recent electricity price crisis was notable. And local/small companies will generally sell out to multinationals/larger companies if the offer is one they can't refuse and they can legally accept it.

Everywhere I’ve lived electric, heating oil & gas, and water have all been controlled by regionally controlled monopolies. Pricing has been the domain of a board of regulators either voted or appointed to control the monopoly.

 

[AZlb5.0]

Everywhere I’ve lived electric, heating oil & gas, and water have all been controlled by regionally controlled monopolies. Pricing has been the domain of a board of regulators either voted or appointed to control the monopoly.

Agreed you are 100% correct. But how much easier would it be for any government to shut down your electricity by right now, then to shut down gas stations by right now? Mind you that push comes to shove, gas stations have emergency battery operated and hand operated pumps.

 

[Burkey]

The numbers change depending on how the EV is charged.

I recall trying to explain you that the global electricity mix had moved toward a greater percentage of renewables since the time of the Volvo study.… I also suggested that in most counties, the figure you were quoting (for the break-even point) had already reduced and given that same constant increase of renewables (in most countries), the break-even point would continue to reduce.
I also tried to explain to you that using more renewables in the manufacture of the vehicle, would reduce its INITIAL footprint, thereby also reducing the distance it would need to travel in order to ”break-even”

Do you now accept the premise?


Seems to me that given the rapidly changing environment, a new study might be required every few years, IF we want accurate data.

 

[GT 550]

The real difference being that the people can produce their own power. pretty hard to go drilling for oil on your own.

I'm not sure how that's achievable in a reliable, safe and sustainable way? For most, going off grid 24/7 is a pipe dream and about as possible as doing said drilling. And if 'the people' means 'the nation' it'll still be in the hands of a largely unregulated oligopoly.

The electricity companies already have that level of control. What are you going to do? Go back to candles? Run a generator? Seriously?

And when the dependency increases even further - near 100% - they will have even more control and that never looks good. Again, refer to recent market player behaviour. Large companies live for this so maybe, albeit unlikely, we can learn from the past and avoid a oligopoly/collusion situation whereby profiteering mindsets control and manipulate strategic asset. Surely that's not too much to ask?

I have nothing against EV's, except that they are being forced upon us.

...at a rapid rate with not much evidence of anything resembling a national strategy when we know there are vulnerabilities in critical infrastructure.

Everywhere I’ve lived electric, heating oil & gas, and water have all been controlled by regionally controlled monopolies. Pricing has been the domain of a board of regulators either voted or appointed to control the monopoly.

We have broadly the same for supply and retail. There is of course the Australian Energy Market Operator but unfortunately in a real sense it...doesn't.

 

[Burkey]

Two ways to make a million dollars, sell a million widgets for a dollar profit
each or sell one widget for a million.

But if you have a million widgets, why would you sell them for a dollar when you can sell them for a million? It’s a lot easier to do this when you have control of the widget supply.

You really have drank the Koolaid.

I’m sorry that you don’t like facts. Let’s do some numbers shall we?
The panels on my roof produce an average (across summer and winter) of about 75kw/h per day. (50 in winter, 120 in summer).
75 x 365 = 27,375Kw’s.
We know that natural gas produces roughly 0.5kg’s of carbon per Kw produced. (I’m being generous, we could make it worse by using coal).

Now tell me how exactly you’d get enough plants on that area to sequester 13 metric tonnes of carbon dioxide annually. I’ll wait.

Yes, the panels also have a carbon footprint for their production. We could Chuck that into the mix, but it does very little to change the fact that the panels do exactly what I said they’d do, which is to reduce CO2 emissions, even after you play the game of plant loss.

A mature tree absorbs roughly 20Kg’s annually. You’ll only need about 650 mature trees to do the same amount of work.

Koolaid…

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