GM is pulling back on EVs

[Paul McWhiskey]

eh, it could work out. if you assume that hte majority of those killed by boat strike are old and unable to dive quickly when a large boat is approaching. not 1/3 of the total 20k, kind of confusing how he stated it though.

I was using the reported figure of only 350 total in existence.

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[Burkey]

Toyota's CEO isn't fully sold on electric cars — and he says a 'silent majority' is on his side (msn.com)

Hello; A thing of interest is his reasoning is very much the same as some have voiced in this thread.

He has a point (given where the tech is at the moment).
All of the taxi drivers I’ve spoken to absolutely LOVE the Toyota Camry hybrids they’ve been driving for the past few years. I’m not sure that they’d find a full electric so appealing, unless they could plug in at the cab rank (is this a likely infrastructure improvement?)

On the flip side, a friend of mine is an engineer at Ford and as an engineer, he finds hybrids to be a poor compromise. His argument is that you get burdened with the service intervals of an ICE without the full efficiency of electric because you’re lugging an ICE and petroleum around with you, or conversely, lugging the battery when using the ICE to motivate it…

The taxi drivers I’ve spoken with just love the efficiency. They don’t care too much for the engineering aspect, but it’s worth pointing out that in the context of a taxi, Km’s/miles traveled play a greater role in the service schedule than they might for a car that gets serviced on the basis of time since last service Eg. My Mustang has travelled 24,000 km’s (15,000mi) in 6 years. Servicing occurs annually, regardless of distance.

 

[Gregs24]

He has a point (given where the tech is at the moment).
All of the taxi drivers I’ve spoken to absolutely LOVE the Toyota Camry hybrids they’ve been driving for the past few years. I’m not sure that they’d find a full electric so appealing, unless they could plug in at the cab rank (is this a likely infrastructure improvement?)

On the flip side, a friend of mine is an engineer at Ford and as an engineer, he finds hybrids to be a poor compromise. His argument is that you get burdened with the service intervals of an ICE without the full efficiency of electric because you’re lugging an ICE and petroleum around with you, or conversely, lugging the battery when using the ICE to motivate it…

The taxi drivers I’ve spoken with just love the efficiency. They don’t care too much for the engineering aspect, but it’s worth pointing out that in the context of a taxi, Km’s/miles traveled play a greater role in the service schedule than they might for a car that gets serviced on the basis of time since last service Eg. My Mustang has travelled 24,000 km’s (15,000mi) in 6 years. Servicing occurs annually, regardless of distance.

Plenty of electric taxis in London now with charge points on taxi ranks

It is odd how some see the PHEV as a poor option and yet it does exactly what you need. EV locally and range / convenience via ICE when you somewhere with poor infrastructure. Having said that they are probably a stop gap until FCEV and BEV's get more common.

 

[Tinpot]

Plenty of electric taxis in London now with charge points on taxi ranks

Is this because of the congestion charge or do they genuinely find it more efficient/better/whatever ?

 

[Gregs24]

Is this because of the congestion charge or do they genuinely find it more efficient/better/whatever ?

Both. Refuelling conventional ICE vehicles in central London is much harder than plugging in.

 

[sk47]

How Long Does It Take for Electric Cars to Pay for Themselves? (msn.com)

Hello; A bit of information seems out of place in this story. That being a Ford F-150 (EV) Lightning can be had for $40,000 and an ICE F-150 can be had for $31,000. I have had the impression the F-150 EV is closer to $60 grand or more????

 

[key01]

How Long Does It Take for Electric Cars to Pay for Themselves? (msn.com)

Hello; A bit of information seems out of place in this story. That being a Ford F-150 (EV) Lightning can be had for $40,000 and an ICE F-150 can be had for $31,000. I have had the impression the F-150 EV is closer to $60 grand or more????

yeah, those prices are laughable. Try $80,000 for the Lightning with sales above $100,000 all day long. Insane. Give me a new F-150 for $31K and I’ll buy it.

 

[kz]

yeah, those prices are laughable. Try $80,000 for the Lightning with sales above $100,000 all day long. Insane. Give me a new F-150 for $31K and I’ll buy it.

This was all around clueless post. Cheapest reasonable non-work truck trim F-150s are $50k+ MSRP

 

[Gregs24]

This was all around clueless post. Cheapest reasonable non-work truck trim F-150s are $50k+ MSRP

It always amuses me when I see a post like this and then notice a missing post # in the thread. One of those ignored idiots

 

[Vlad Soare]

It always amuses me when I see a post like this and then notice a missing post # in the thread. One of those ignored idiots

It always amuses me when you brag about ignoring people whom you don't agree with, and how they're all idiots.

 

[sk47]

It always amuses me when I see a post like this and then notice a missing post # in the thread. One of those ignored idiots

Hello; Ah, the name calling re-emerges. Was good while it lasted. Also not clear how putting someone on ignore contributes to an open discussion. I get the hear no evil. See no evil aspect. For those not old enough there were little statues of three monkeys with one holding it's hands over it's ears. One with hands over it's eyes and one with hands over the mouth.

 

[RagmopInKona]

IF ev's are so GREAT why the EU having to offer huge tax breaks to get you to buy one. Same with USA STILL till a company hits x sales of ev units.

I'm sure the usual suspect will claim some, b/s.
Only reason they are selling units is the HAND OUTS.
Take those public funded "incentives" away and see what a fair free market does.

 

[kz]

Because it's a change and people are naturally resistant to it - change of any kind and anything. Not a rocket science, happens everywhere. And this thread is best example, when you have at least on person on a Mustang forum having produced hundred of posts about EVs and how they are going to destroy the world as he knows it but nearly none about actual Mustangs. It's borderline mental health problem unfortunately.

 

[sk47]

Because it's a change and people are naturally resistant to it - change of any kind and anything. Not a rocket science, happens everywhere. And this thread is best example, when you have at least on person on a Mustang forum having produced hundred of posts about EVs and how they are going to destroy the world as he knows it but nearly none about actual Mustangs. It's borderline mental health problem unfortunately.

Hello; Lots of over the top stuff in your post. Not sure if i am the "on person" in this thread you mention. But just in case I will chime in. First, I am not and some others are not saying EV's will destroy the world as i know it. I contend the 'true believer' 'green agenda' mandates are going to possibly damage a functioning and well-established transportation and power generation system.
I have no problem with the existence of EV's. If it must be a competition, then allow the ICE to compete with the EV without massive thumbs on the scale in favor of the EV. My preference would be for the EV and the ICE to exist alongside of each other with each of us being allowed to pick the vehicle which suits our situation and pocketbook.

There are some who resist change same as there are some who are early adopters. Such is not the issue with the EV. It is again the forced adoption by mandate which rankles me and perhaps others. Starting with hybrids back in the early 2000's (Prius & Honda insight) then the pure BEV's the market for these vehicles never caught on. Market share has been small. The hybrid and BEV and such had the chance to prove themselves for nearly 23 years. That they did not does not fit into the "green agenda" so force (mandates) now is the next step. Not many carrots that work with the EV's since they cost too much, have short range and more.
The excuse for force (mandates) is ICE + fossil fuels will cause global warming which will be bad in 100 years. So, the ICE must die away along with coal/natural gas power plants to save the planet. Well, I and others have posted information refuting the "all clean EV" story. EV's are not all that clean overall.

Last bit on this anti fossil fuel agenda is to today millions of us have heat because those evil fossil fuels are keeping the lights on. There is coal and natural gas being used this moment all across the northern hemisphere to make electricity.

As for my posts about Mustangs, I am currently active in a few such dedicated posts. One trying to help a member work out why he does not have heat. Guess that does not count.

 

[Tinpot]

I suspect for some the EV doesn’t validate their choice of a 5L fossil fuel car and they appear a threat. In addition, as sk47 has mentioned, the vast majority of heating worldwide is by fossil fuels yet there’s not much being done to curb that. Thirdly, airlines have failed to meet over 90% of their emissions targets and yet again, not much emphasis there on govt forced reductions. Bearing in mind that 1L of aviation fuel releases 2.5Kg - yes that’s Kg, not grams - of CO2.
So it does seem that cars are being singled out for much of the blame and motorists are being forced to ante up for it one way or another.
Don’t get me started on the filthy polluting cruise liners that average a ton of fossil fuel per ten miles and their sole use is to chug holidaymakers around.

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