Getting a GT350 at MSRP

[activeGT]

When the profit is already nested in the Suggested pricing.... then anything above it simply hovers in the area of criminal. You're doing what most businesses that provide a service can be prosecuted for called "OVER BILLING"...yup its a crime.

Over billing is to bill or charge for something a business didn't do.

MSRP is MSRP. They can change the price up or down. Not a thing you can do about it.

The BMW dealers down here are getting an average of 10% over MSRP on the new I8. People are paying it and nobody is going to jail. Is it criminal? No. Is it stupid? Yes, unless you want one. It's out of my league but it makes our Mustang GT 350s look like little turds.

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[Cruzinaround]

Over billing is to bill or charge for something a business didn't do.

MSRP is MSRP. They can change the price up or down. Not a thing you can do about it.

The BMW dealers down here are getting an average of 10% over MSRP on the new I8. People are paying it and nobody is going to jail. Is it criminal? No. Is it stupid? Yes, unless you want one. It's out of my league but it makes our Mustang GT 350s look like little turds.

ADM's are typically charging for things a dealership didn't do or can't justify... not very different from over-billing just easier to get away with since no one is making it illegal.

MSRP is the price they make a profit at and what the Manufacturer suggested. really simple concept.

BTW...we're talking FORD here.... BMW's are another can of worms. ADM's no matter who the dealer is.... are in our modern times criminal.

 

[activeGT]

Ok, let's talk Chevy. My buddy just got a new ZO6 with the ZO7 upgrade. 8K over MSRP. And his pecker is hard as a brick with his new toy.

Chevy = Ford. Forget the BMW injection.

I am not agreeing I would ever pay over MSRP but just am saying it's business. Nothing wrong with it.

ADM's are typically charging for things a dealership didn't do or can't justify... not very different from over-billing just easier to get away with since no one is making it illegal.

MSRP is the price they make a profit at and what the Manufacturer suggested. really simple concept.

BTW...we're talking FORD here.... BMW's are another can of worms. ADM's no matter who the dealer is.... are in our modern times criminal.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Ok, let's talk Chevy. My buddy just got a new ZO6 with the ZO7 upgrade. 8K over MSRP. And his pecker is hard as a brick with his new toy.

Chevy = Ford. Forget the BMW injection.

I am not agreeing I would ever pay over MSRP but just am saying it's business. Nothing wrong with it.

Actually there is something inherently wrong with it... No lawmaker has made it a crime yet....

But if we use the Over-Billing analogy...there is precedence to pursue the criminal aspect of this practice. It simply requires a legal entity to do so.

Our life is all about progression and moving forward.

Dealerships and the practice of ADM's are simply an example of that progression halted and becoming a stick in the mud. Someone simply needs to move it forward. And who knows...maybe there is something in play. ;-)

 

[speedrx]

Nothing criminal about someone charging whatever they want, nothing criminal about choosing not to purchase. It would be criminal for lawmakers to get involved and force dealers to charge a certain price and for buyers to pay a certain price - defeats the purpose of supply and demand and the free market.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Nothing criminal about someone charging whatever they want, nothing criminal about choosing not to purchase. It would be criminal for lawmakers to get involved and force dealers to charge a certain price and for buyers to pay a certain price - defeats the purpose of supply and demand and the free market.

You might want to look into how that went down for AT&T ..... However you are right to a point...But only when talking about buying things second hand... The middleman owns the product and can turn a blind eye and sell well above what the Manufacturer suggests selling to the public at.

ADM's are pretty similar to overbilling.

Laws wouldn't force a certain price... they'd cap pricing at MSRP and enable MAP pricing to prevent exploitive practices. MSRP->Which has profit already packaged in. How much is determined between Factory invoice and MSRP. Otherwise simply allow us to purchase direct and the problem is solved.

It does nothing to cripple the principles of supply and demand. It would in fact enhance it.

 

[Mustangchief]

Getting back on Topic, North Point Ford in Little Rock does not charge a mark-up. You can get on their list, but a car is not guaranteed. If you choose to order it, your dreams only come true if they receive an allocation that matches your order. The one guarantee later this year is spoken for by their regular Shelby customer.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Getting back on Topic, North Point Ford in Little Rock does not charge a mark-up. You can get on their list, but a car is not guaranteed. If you choose to order it, your dreams only come true if they receive an allocation that matches your order. The one guarantee later this year is spoken for by their regular Shelby customer.

Can you explain how the allocations are set? IOW...does the dealer order the car without a buyer's input or do they sit down with the buyer and order it the way they want it? Do these allocations happen by a lottery or by a success curve based on past SVT volume? Do the dealers or the buyers have any say as to what they will receive or.... is it just pot luck and they get what they get?

 

[activeGT]

You might want to look into how that went down for AT&T ..... However you are right to a point...But only when talking about buying things second hand... The middleman owns the product and can turn a blind eye and sell well above what the Manufacturer suggests selling to the public at.

Bad comparison. Not a lawyer on the face of the earth will ever take on a class action suit for a handleful of whiners that can't afford a high performance car.

 

[RocketGuy3]

It's not the dealerships yo need to be mad at. It's the people who pay the ADM, whether it's because they have the money to and dont mind, or it's just the flat out dum customers who don't do any research when buying a car. Because of these people dealerships think they can charge everyone ADM. If you stick to your guns you can/will find a car at MSRP. Look at the LE's, the ADM's on these things are starting to come down and soon you will be able to find many with no ADM's. I think you are mad at the wrong people...IMHO tho!!!

Plus, if you can ask for a car at invoice, why can't they ask for an ADM???

Sure, those people aren't doing us any favors either, but the point remains that dealerships are utterly worthless middlemen. Aside from test drives, they provide exactly ZERO value to the car purchase or ownership process, but they are taking thousands of dollars off the top of every sale. And they know their end is nigh, which is why they're lobbying like mad to try to bully progressive manufacturers like Tesla away (and they're ironically probably the same ones who justify their price gouging as just "free market capitalism" at work).

Customers and manufacturers would both benefit from the elimination of dealerships.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Bad comparison. Not a lawyer on the face of the earth will ever take on a class action suit for a handleful of whiners that can't afford a high performance car.

That's your opinion...The example is a reflection of how ADM's operate. Therefore entirely relevant....and According to the FCC... Illegal.

That's the FCC.

Dealerships have their own entity standing between them and the laws that represent them...to our detriment.

If a lawyer sees merit in it that is beneficial to everyone on earth they very well may take on a lawsuit and possibly direct it at something looming behind all those dealerships claiming to represent their best interest.... to the public's detriment.

 

[activeGT]

That's your opinion...

If a lawyer sees merit in it that is beneficial to everyone on earth they very well may take on a lawsuit and possibly direct it at something looming behind all those dealerships claiming to represent their best interest.... to the public's detriment.

I call BS. Lawyers are no different then dealers with ADM.

As of today, it is still America.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Don't take it to politics....

America has lawyers and legal entities to represent our best interest... If enough people cry foul...guess what. Dealerships get treated like BS.

Therefore entirely relevant....and According to the FCC... Illegal.

That's the FCC.

Dealerships have their own entity standing between them and the laws that represent them...to our detriment.

 

[Cruzinaround]

Sure, those people aren't doing us any favors either, but the point remains that dealerships are utterly worthless middlemen. Aside from test drives, they provide exactly ZERO value to the car purchase or ownership process, but they are taking thousands of dollars off the top of every sale. And they know their end is nigh, which is why they're lobbying like mad to try to bully progressive manufacturers like Tesla away (and they're ironically probably the same ones who justify their price gouging as just "free market capitalism" at work).

Customers and manufacturers would both benefit from the elimination of dealerships.

Maybe when Apple and Google come to Market to Join Tesla with their cars.... it will push that stick in the mud forward into the next chapter.

Looking forward to it.

 

[OH5GT 2 S550]

Actually there is something inherently wrong with it... No lawmaker has made it a crime yet....

But if we use the Over-Billing analogy...there is precedence to pursue the criminal aspect of this practice. It simply requires a legal entity to do so.

Our life is all about progression and moving forward.

Dealerships and the practice of ADM's are simply an example of that progression halted and becoming a stick in the mud. Someone simply needs to move it forward. And who knows...maybe there is something in play. ;-)

Once we start controlling prices on everything this country will take a nose dive, that's all I'm gonna say. If you pay ADM, that's on you and your wallet. I don't feel sorry for you. I'm not advocating you pay the ADM, but I have no problem with them asking

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