Gas prices dropping soon?

[Bikeman315]

Lithium is not the answer. With better battery technology we can solve the energy problems of the world. 10x the capacity at 50% the cost and EVs would surpass ICE very quickly.

But at this point EVs are more expensive to own with a small base that can make them viable.

The economics always always dictate the success of a technology. EVs are going the wrong way at this point.

Also this. Lithium is bad.

A potential European Commission (EC) act to classify lithium as a Category 1A reproductive toxin in this year’s fourth quarter could undermine the European Union (EU)’s attempt to create and support a domestic battery materials supply chain.

https://www.rystadenergy.com/newsev...roding-its-energy-security-and-climate-goals/

Yes, lithium is bad. I guess we need to get rid of the billions of portable devices that use them. Your concern is notable but very narrowly focused.

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[sk47]

Actually it isn't the EV that is going the wrong way. EV's are the future, how they are powered will evolve. Battery technologies will change with time as will the electricity source.

No different to ICE cars in the early days, nobody uses Ligroin now!

Hello; There is a difference to be sure. Nothing wrong with the above statement itself. EV's are not yet using a proper battery energy storage system. If a better battery can be made the EV may evolve to be practical.
Same with the electric grid. It may be some time in the future but the "green" grid may be possible.

Thing is the current policy is to stop the use of fossil fuels and that is a difference. And yes, these policies are being forced upon us. With exec orders combined with state and federal legislation the use of gasoline, diesel, propane and natural gas is being forced out. If I can keep an ICE vehicle road worthy over time I may be able to keep using gasoline for some years. However, at some point all will need to buy a new vehicle and the choice will be gone. Smacks of the way the forced covid vaccines were somehow not really done by force. A play on words.

 

[LSchicago]

That’s in the most optimal conditions which it want be in all the time. Plus don’t believe everything you read….What about being in snow and very cold conditions…..that will be a different story. Then when the roads closes and you run out of power YOU ARE STUCK. How you gonna recharge now. Wait your not, you will have to be towed. A good Ole gas burner just needs a can gas and it’s off to the filling station.

No need to tow, just a road service call for mobile recharge. They will bring a diesel generator to get you going again.

 

[Gregs24]

No need to tow, just a road service call for mobile recharge. They will bring a diesel generator to get you going again.

Funnily enough emergency EV powerpacks that can give 20 miles of so of range to a car are available (modern equivalent of a Jerry Can!) No need for a generator!

 

[Bikeman315]

Actually we are down $0.22 since I last filled up about a week and a half ago. Hopefully it’s a tread, but I doubt it. Best guess right now is after Labor Day.

Premium down a dime today. Hope this trend continues.....

 

[LSchicago]

Funnily enough emergency EV powerpacks that can give 20 miles of so of range to a car are available (modern equivalent of a Jerry Can!) No need for a generator!

Idiots will run that out too. LOL.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Two hours to do 170 miles on the motorway - not in the UK Average 85mph! On French motorways with a 130kmh limit (81mph) it is reasonable to expect 70mph average.

Not in the UK. I've done this in Romania, Hungary, Austria and Italy. Surprinsigly, not in Germany, as their motorways seem to be either extremely crowded, or full of roadworks, or both.

My brother in law has an EV and that is exactly what he does and it works well for him even on long journeys.

Yeah, but he is able to do that precisely because he's still in the minority. When everyone and their mother have an EV, things will change.

Actually it isn't the EV that is going the wrong way. EV's are the future, how they are powered will evolve. Battery technologies will change with time as will the electricity source.

Yes, I know. That's what I've been hearing for more than twenty years now. Things will evolve. They will change. Will, will, will.
Right. Wake me up when they have changed.

No different to ICE cars in the early days, nobody uses Ligroin now!

That's not a good analogy. If you merely discontinued gasoline and gave me another liquid to put in my tank, enabling me to use my car exactly as I did before, then I wouldn't have a problem.
I'm all for eco fuels. Give me ethanol at the pump instead of gasoline if that makes polar bears happier. I won't mind.

As for now and foreseeable future no one is forcing anyone to do anything.

Semantics. Technically speaking, covid vaccines weren't mandatory either; no one was forcing us to have them.

 

[sk47]

Idiots will run that out too. LOL.

Hello; I get the concept of an electric jerry can. I do have a question or two. In my reading I ran across information about charging times. Some has to do with the source of the electricity while other considerations have to do with the ability of a vehicle battery system to accept a charge.

To my questions and point. How long would it take to dump the electrons from the jerry can into the vehicle? If done too quickly a lot of heat ought to be generated is part of my point.
Some background. A couple of years ago I bought a small jump start li-ion battery device. Small enough to fit in a glove box. I picked the one which is supposed to jump a pickup truck. Tried to use it twice. One on a small car in a parking lot and on a boat with a 50 HP outboard. It did not turn over either engine.

Now to a satire solution. Have a two inch reciever hitch put on the back of the EV. Have a small generator mounted on one of those wheelchair or motorcycle racks. That way the generator can be used to charge up the EV using fossil fuels. (An irony currently is the EV is almost certain to be charged by fossil fuels when plugged in at home or at a commercial charger.)( So in a way using a generator is not that much of a satire.)

 

[sk47]

Yes, I know. That's what I've been hearing for more than twenty years now. Things will evolve. They will change. Will, will, will.
Right. Wake me up when they have changed.

Hello; Yes to this. So many of the Green new deal and climate change solutions depend on some new or improved tech off in the future. New battery systems which have not been invented yet. New grid capacity which has not been built yet. New massive solar and wind generation which is not built yet along with a way to get the electricity from places with abundant sun & wind to the rest of us. Some way to recycle the batteries which is in it's infancy currently.

Some years ago there was an article in a science magazine about a liquid battery. The idea was the vehicle would have a tank of charged fluid of some sort. I forget the details. When the charge ran low you would stop at a station where the depleted fluid would be drained and fresh full charged fluid replaced. The discharged fluid was then recharged at the station to be used again. That was maybe ten years or more ago and i never have seen any more about it.

 

[Bikeman315]

Yeah, but he is able to do that precisely because he's still in the minority. When everyone and their mother have an EV, things will change.

Things will have changed by the time everyone and their mother have EV's.

Yes, I know. That's what I've been hearing for more than twenty years now. Things will evolve. They will change. Will, will, will.
Right. Wake me up when they have changed.

Time to wake up Vlad. Things have already changed significantly. And more is changing as I write this. It will be fascinating to look back five/ten years from now and see where we were.

Semantics. Technically speaking, covid vaccines weren't mandatory either; no one was forcing us to have them.

Sorry Vlad, terrible conparsion. Motor vehicles versus a worldwide pandemic that has already killed millions. You're better than that.

Now tell me anywhere in the world today where people are being forced to buy an EV? New ICE cars will be available for many years to come. And when new ones are no longer being sold used ones will still be available. Will a time come when ICE vehicles are no longer on the road? Sure but you are looking at decades down the road.

 

[Bikeman315]

Hello; New battery systems which have not been invented yet.

Yes they have. They are still very expensive and have not come to market yet. But they will.

New grid capacity which has not been built yet. New massive solar and wind generation which is not built yet along with a way to get the electricity from places with abundant sun & wind to the rest of us. Some way to recycle the batteries which is in it's infancy currently.

Agreed here. The work on the grid need to start happening sooner than later. Wind and solar are not really long term solutions. Although I was once against nuclear power I now believe this may be the way. New technology has made NP much safer than it was in the past. 50% of power generation in South Carolina is nuclear.
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Some years ago there was an article in a science magazine about a liquid battery. The idea was the vehicle would have a tank of charged fluid of some sort. I forget the details. When the charge ran low you would stop at a station where the depleted fluid would be drained and fresh full charged fluid replaced. The discharged fluid was then recharged at the station to be used again. That was maybe ten years or more ago and i never have seen any more about it.

And you will not. We have progressed beyond liquid to solid state technology. That's what is next for batteries.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Time to wake up Vlad. Things have already changed significantly. And more is changing as I write this. It will be fascinating to look back five/ten years from now and see where we were.

I'll give you that they have changed, but I don't agree that they have to any significant degree.
Charging a Tesla five years ago took exactly as much time is it does today. The range of a fully charged EV has increased a bit, due to bigger batteries and better power management, but still not enough to make a major difference.

Sorry Vlad, terrible conparsion. Motor vehicles versus a worldwide pandemic that has already killed millions. You're better than that.

It doesn't matter, it's the same principle. You cannot claim that I have the freedom to choose if you either remove one of the choices (as they're doing with ICEs), or make one of them so extremely inconvenient that you know I'm going to find it unbearable (as they did with the vaccine).
"It's our way or the highway" doesn't mean free choice only because you allow me to pick the highway. Yes, technically speaking I could take the highway, but that's not the point.

 

[LSchicago]

Hello; I get the concept of an electric jerry can. I do have a question or two. In my reading I ran across information about charging times. Some has to do with the source of the electricity while other considerations have to do with the ability of a vehicle battery system to accept a charge.

To my questions and point. How long would it take to dump the electrons from the jerry can into the vehicle? If done too quickly a lot of heat ought to be generated is part of my point.
Some background. A couple of years ago I bought a small jump start li-ion battery device. Small enough to fit in a glove box. I picked the one which is supposed to jump a pickup truck. Tried to use it twice. One on a small car in a parking lot and on a boat with a 50 HP outboard. It did not turn over either engine.

Now to a satire solution. Have a two inch reciever hitch put on the back of the EV. Have a small generator mounted on one of those wheelchair or motorcycle racks. That way the generator can be used to charge up the EV using fossil fuels. (An irony currently is the EV is almost certain to be charged by fossil fuels when plugged in at home or at a commercial charger.)( So in a way using a generator is not that much of a satire.)

I'm not sure if that would be required, or you can just plug it in and go.
Generator on a hitch would be able to extend range, but not produce enough for continuous use.

 

[K4fxd]

Generator on a hitch would be able to extend range, but not produce enough for continuous use.

Seems to me a hybrid is the most practical way to have an EV......

 

[Vlad Soare]

A portable diesel generator has a power output of four or five kilowatt, give or take. That's not enough to charge an EV battery quickly. Charging a 50 kWh battery would take in excess of ten hours. Not to mention that you'd be burning more diesel than if you just put it in the tank of a normal car and drove the same distance.
The so-called "range extender" (an euphemism invented because "gas-powered generator" wouldn't sound politically correct in this context ) that some EVs, like the BMW i3, are equipped with, is really a joke. It's a sort of limp home mode.

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