Formula 1 talk.

[HoosierDaddy]

Hello; Afraid you lost me on this. I have no idea what Sparco is.

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[Bikeman315]

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

 

[sk47]

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

Hello; In terms of quality racing it is a wasted weekend. It is become an event for the ultra wealthy to strut their stuff and party.

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

Yeah I agree. It’s a dull race most of the time. Now if they tweak the track…

 

[Inthehighdesert]

I read last years race had a 1.25 billion dollar impact on Monaco. Don’t think any of us are surprised that it’ll stay regardless of how bad the actual racing is, or lack of.

I’m not sure how I feel about this.

 

[dpAtlanta]

How long is Red Bull going to keep Yuki Tsunoda?

 

[Bikeman315]

How long is Red Bull going to keep Yuki Tsunoda?

Hopefully to the end of the season. Does anyone want to see them destroy a third driver this year?

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Honest question. How has Redbull destroyed any drivers? How is Redbull destroying Tsunoda? The cold reality is F1 is about as performanced based of an endeavor there is. If that performance from anyone doesn’t keep pace or progress the inevitable will take place. The idea that Redbull or any team for that matter doesn’t do everything they can to help the drivers improve is ridiculous. It’s in there interest to do so. The disparity today there’s no way Tsunoda’s performance or seat wouldn‘t be brought up. What has/may save Tsunoda is that Max is so on another level then the rest that some leway is being given. Think it’s hard to deny that.

Hopefully to the end of the season. Does anyone want to see them destroy a third driver this year?

 

[Bikeman315]

Honest question. How has Redbull destroyed any drivers? How is Redbull destroying Tsunoda? The cold reality is F1 is about as performanced based of an endeavor there is. If that performance from anyone doesn’t keep pace or progress the inevitable will take place. The idea that Redbull or any team for that matter doesn’t do everything they can to help the drivers improve is ridiculous. It’s in there interest to do so. The disparity today there’s no way Tsunoda’s performance or seat wouldn‘t be brought up. What has/may save Tsunoda is that Max is so on another level then the rest that some leway is being given. Think it’s hard to deny that.

Honestly, I believe it is unexplainable. Maybe it’s the car, maybe it’s the pressure. And of course Max is at a totally different level. But good drivers tend to shrivel the moment they get into a Red Bull car.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Honest question. How has Redbull destroyed any drivers? How is Redbull destroying Tsunoda? The cold reality is F1 is about as performanced based of an endeavor there is. If that performance from anyone doesn’t keep pace or progress the inevitable will take place. The idea that Redbull or any team for that matter doesn’t do everything they can to help the drivers improve is ridiculous.

Pretty much. But often Max got upgrades before his teammate. Today, for instance, Max was the only one with a new rear wing designed specifically for Monza. I'm sure that if Yuki had it too, they might not have been Q3 bookends. LoL

 

[Inthehighdesert]

I know you’re biased, but really… lmao. Referring to the shriveling. Many think that if they simply can get in to the car they think is faster they’ll do the same. It rarely woeks out like that though. It’s kind of like one of my guys blaming the tool for outcome some times, and having to redo something.

Honestly, I believe it is unexplainable. Maybe it’s the car, maybe it’s the pressure. And of course Max is at a totally different level. But good drivers tend to shrivel the moment they get into a Red Bull car.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Yep, they took some downforce off the car in all aspects evidently. He asked for that, said he thought they’d gain some speed and he’d be able to control it. What one may consider an “upgrade“ for him in a lot of cases will be the opposite for the other. Albon did a very good interview on how Max likes his car and how every one else it’s undriveable because it’s to much on the edge. It’s funny how with Redbull it’s always everything but the driver, Tsunoda in this case, that’s the issue. And the flip side Max doing what he does, it’s not him, it’s ”his” car that’s so much better. Redbull is very lucky, if it wasn’t for Max they’d be a mid tier team. I’m not advocating pitching Tsunoda, but clearly they need a different approach to help him improve and progress.

Pretty much. But often Max got upgrades before his teammate. Today, for instance, Max was the only one with a new rear wing designed specifically for Monza. I'm sure that if Yuki had it too, they might not have been Q3 bookends. LoL

 

[Bikeman315]

I know you’re biased, but really… lmao. Referring to the shriveling. Many think that if they simply can get in to the car they think is faster they’ll do the same. It rarely woeks out like that though. It’s kind of like one of my guys blaming the tool for outcome some times, and having to redo something.

I have no horse, therefore bias, in this race. I certainly know that a driver of any skill level cannot just jump in a car and go fast. Vettel, Alonso, and now Hamilton have proven that. But Red Bull is taking kids and just not giving them any time to grow. They, and by that I mean Marko the magnificent, expect immediate results. You and I both agree that is not realistic.

 

[sk47]

I have no horse, therefore bias, in this race. I certainly know that a driver of any skill level cannot just jump in a car and go fast. Vettel, Alonso, and now Hamilton have proven that. But Red Bull is taking kids and just not giving them any time to grow. They, and by that I mean Marko the magnificent, expect immediate results. You and I both agree that is not realistic.

Hello; First thing, F1 is supposed to be the top of the formula type racing for sure and in some ways maybe considered the top of tier of all racing. Not a development series for bringing up a driver.

Next thing, It is my understanding the drivers certified to have a seat have already been tested in other car series such as F2 and more. Some start racing in go carts at a young age. I get it may take a race or two to learn all the gadgets and feel of an F1 car, but not several races. Gues I could cite American pro football. Some brand-new players excel first couple of games in the NFL having played at a high level in college. I do not feel sorry for Tsunoda. He stepped into the seat and cannot deliver. The car has the performance as has been illustrated by Max. That Max asked for and got a twitchy on the edge car and made it work does not keep Tsunoda from trying the same.

Next thing, The McLarens illustrate how it is the car more than the driver as has been the case for decades in F1. How many years have the team cars run in tandem over the years? Team red running 1&2 then team blue running 3&4, then team green running 5&6 and so on.

Next thing, "a driver of any skill level cannot just jump in a car and go fast. Vettel, Alonso, and now Hamilton have proven that." I can agree with you about Alonzo pretty much. Less but still sort of agree about Vettel. Do not agree about Hamilton. Hamilton does not have the stuff like he did in the past is one way to look at it, maybe. Another way is he had a seat in a superior car for a long stretch in my preferred way to judge it. Now he is in a competitive car and only rarely stays close to his Ferrari team driver. Alonzo and Vettel moved into cars that were not as good as some other cars at the time.

I would like to see some other driver in the second RB this year. RB cannot get enough team points to make much difference so why not? I say that while not having a grasp on the nonracing stuff such as contracts and money. F1 should not be an everyone gets a trophy sort of thing.

 

[Yorkshire_OH]

Pretty much. But often Max got upgrades before his teammate. Today, for instance, Max was the only one with a new rear wing designed specifically for Monza. I'm sure that if Yuki had it too, they might not have been Q3 bookends. LoL

Was it for sure a new wing, or did Max have them trim it? they definitely trimmed one in Miami with a dremel. Could have been that Yuki just wasn't as comfortable with the lower downforce setup than Max, certainly Max has skills that anyone less than superhuman cannot replicate. Occasionally other drivers have had occasional races where they can push him but it's the exception rather than the norm.
Certainly that lower drag rear wing made the difference for Max yesterday.

Don't get me started on that debarkle McLaren did by swapping Lando and Oscar. it wasn't Oscars fault that Lando had a bad stop. I'm cheering for Lando but that was just... bad.

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