Formula 1 talk.

[Bikeman315]

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[Timeless]

Hello; I use to be a judge for regional academic team contests. There were written rules which laid out things in detail. Thing is during every contest something was brought to me. Even with all the rules I sometimes had to make a decision in a gray area. Mostly I could use the written rules. Every now and then I had to go outside the rules and move things along.
A difference being I did not watch the actual matches. I was off in a room on my own. The disputes were brought to me and I made a call. Guess one quality they liked from me was I could not be easily intimidated.
The race director made a call. Max made a call to get fresh tires. Lewis made a call for track position. Max passed Lewis on the track actual racing conditions. Much better than at Monza. Doubt the Ferrari could have passed Max, but deserved the chance to try. All the belly aching after got us the Monza finish. Deal with it.

I want to see them race, not follow a safety car.

Spin it all you want with whatever bias you want, my statement is true. Tell me all about how if so and so did this earlier in the season and did that...blah blah blah.

What we know for sure is if the 2021 Abu Dhabi race finished under the safety car Lewis would be an eight time champion. Max would still win this year of course.

 

[Bikeman315]

Are you F-cking kidding me……

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/for... -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

 

[Bikeman315]

So how do we feel about this? I love Monaco. I know the racing can suck but you just cannot replace the history.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mona...urce=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=campaign

 

[HoosierDaddy]

So how do we feel about this? I love Monaco. I know the racing can suck but you just cannot replace the history.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mona...urce=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=campaign

Should be better racing next year. Red Bull has decided to cut costs by having Max skip qualifying all of 2023.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

And if Verstappen wasn’t punted at Silverstone the end of the season would have been different. And the bs with pitstops and,,,,,, Spin it all you want.

What’s his excuse this year? Latifi is more consistent.

Spin it all you want with whatever bias you want, my statement is true. Tell me all about how if so and so did this earlier in the season and did that...blah blah blah.

What we know for sure is if the 2021 Abu Dhabi race finished under the safety car Lewis would be an eight time champion. Max would still win this year of course.

 

[Bikeman315]

And if Verstappen wasn’t punted at Silverstone the end of the season would have been different. And the bs with pitstops and,,,,,, Spin it all you want.

What’s his excuse this year? Latifi is more consistent.

Is there a point continuing this discussion? Max won last year. He is going to win running away this year. But in 2023 Lewis and the Silver Arrow’s will be back!

 

[sk47]

Is there a point continuing this discussion? Max won last year. He is going to win running away this year. But in 2023 Lewis and the Silvers Arrow’s will be back!

Hello; I can see some potential truth in this wish. If MB does again build the car better than all other makes, then Lewis can perhaps win again. Oops, that is if Russell can somehow stop running better as he has been this year in the same car???
Guess bikeman will not see this as he says i am on his ignore list.

 

[Timeless]

Are you F-cking kidding me……

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a41311318/you-read-it-right-2023-f1-las-vegas-grand-prix-will-start-at-1-am-et/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=092122&utm_campaign=nl29122170&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers

Yea this is stupid...I was actually thinking of going to this event depending on how pricey it was (we have a place to stay in Vegas). Think I will pass.

And if Verstappen wasn’t punted at Silverstone the end of the season would have been different. And the bs with pitstops and,,,,,, Spin it all you want.

What’s his excuse this year? Latifi is more consistent.

Again, the last race of the year was winner take all....this my statement stands.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Is there a point continuing this discussion? Max won last year. He is going to win running away this year. But in 2023 Lewis and the Silver Arrow’s will be back!

Normally I would agree, but in this case it pisses me off. I'll try to explain why.

Hamilton is seven times world champion. He has equaled Schumacher, which is no small feat in itself, but he was on the verge of winning for the eighth time, which would have been a historic first. He would have been the first man ever to be an eight times world champion. That would have been the pinnacle of his career, the highest achievement any Formula 1 driver could ever dream of. And he would have deserved it. I wanted him to achieve that. In a world dominated by dullards who can barely form a meaningful sentence longer than five words, arrogant bullies who can only win if they ram their opponents out of their way, rich kids flown to the circuit in their daddy's personal helicopter, and all that, Lewis Hamilton was a breath a fresh air - a boy from a poor family, who has worked his ass off for his hobby and managed to get to the top only by sheer passion, will, and hard work, despite having nothing but obstacles in his way. Throughout his childhood he heard nothing but "you're black, you'll never make it". And yet he did make it. He did make it despite everyone and everything. And he made it fair and square, without cheating, without bullying, without even trash-talking any one of his opponents. He was a fine driver and a gentleman, a combination that is extremely rare in Formula 1. That's why I wanted him to succeed.

He is at the end of his career. Last year was most probably his last chance. He won't get another one. Max is young and his career is on the rise; Lewis is getting old for this sport, and it shows. By breaking the rules, they deprived him of the chance of his life. They deprived him of something that no one will ever be able to give him back. That's why it upsets me. Not because Max won - for my part Max can win as much as he wants. But because Lewis lost something he won't be able to get back. And he didn't just lose it, but he was unfairly deprived of it, which makes it worse.

 

[Bikeman315]

I found this very interesting. A lot of good racers from the past.

https://the-race.com/formula-1/every-f1-driver-of-the-2010s-ranked/

 

[Bikeman315]

Normally I would agree, but in this case it pisses me off. I'll try to explain why.

Hamilton is seven times world champion. He has equaled Schumacher, which is no small feat in itself, but he was on the verge of winning for the eighth time, which would have been a historic first. He would have been the first man ever to be an eight times world champion. That would have been the pinnacle of his career, the highest achievement any Formula 1 driver could ever dream of. And he would have deserved it. I wanted him to achieve that. In a world dominated by dullards who can barely form a meaningful sentence longer than five words, arrogant bullies who can only win if they ram their opponents out of their way, rich kids flown to the circuit in their daddy's personal helicopter, and all that, Lewis Hamilton was a breath a fresh air - a boy from a poor family, who has worked his ass off for his hobby and managed to get to the top only by sheer passion, will, and hard work, despite having nothing but obstacles in his way. Throughout his childhood he heard nothing but "you're black, you'll never make it". And yet he did make it. He did make it despite everyone and everything. And he made it fair and square, without cheating, without bullying, without even trash-talking any one of his opponents. He was a fine driver and a gentleman, a combination that is extremely, extremely rare in Formula 1. That's why I wanted him to succeed.

He is at the end of his career. Last year was most probably his last chance. He won't get another one. Max is young and his career is on the rise; Lewis is getting old for this sport, and it shows. By breaking the rules, they deprived him of the chance of his life. They deprived him of something that no one will ever be able to give him back. That's why it upsets me. Not because Max won - for my part Max can win as much as he wants. But because Lewis lost something he won't be able to get back. And he didn't just lose it, but he was unfairly deprived of it, which makes it worse.

I’m in total agreement with you but what is done is done. I truly believe that if Mercedes can give Lewis a “competitive” car ha can take the battle from Red Bull & Ferrari.

By the way remember this? I forgot that had this incident not happened Massa most likely would have won the race. And possibly the 2018 championship.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/the-f1-title-robbery-involving-lewis-hamilton

 

[Vlad Soare]

I’m in total agreement with you but what is done is done. I truly believe that if Mercedes can give Lewis a “competitive” car ha can take the battle from Red Bull & Ferrari.

Indeed. I hope you're right. Fingers crossed...

By the way remember this? I forgot that had this incident not happened Massa most likely would have won the race. And possibly the 2018 championship.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/the-f1-title-robbery-involving-lewis-hamilton

Interesting. I didn't know that. If that's true, then it's of course inexcusable, though Hamilton had probably no idea of what had happened. If I read it correctly, he just happened to be the lucky beneficiary of another team's cheating and never even suspected anything. Whereas in 2021 the race officials, fully aware of the stakes, decided to brake the rules in a way that they fully knew would help Max. Quite a bit different, I'd say.
But, as you say, what's done is done.

 

[Bikeman315]

Indeed. I hope you're right. Fingers crossed...


Interesting. I didn't know that. If that's true, then it's of course inexcusable, though Hamilton had probably no idea of what had happened. If I read it correctly, he just happened to be the lucky beneficiary of another team's cheating and never even suspected anything. Whereas in 2021 the race officials, fully aware of the stakes, decided to brake the rules in a way that they fully knew would help Max. Quite a bit different, I'd say.
But, as you say, what's done is done.

I remember watching that race. Everyone saw how Alonso took advantage of the "accident" but we didn't know until the next year that it was staged. Now if something like that happened today social media would have been all over it.

 

[Vlad Soare]

Now if something like that happened today social media would have been all over it.

And rightly so.

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