Formula 1 talk.

[sk47]

Hello; Just finished watching the recorded race. Max got the win he deserved. Things played out for him this time. I had thought the handout to lewis on the first lap when he went off track to keep the lead was the end of it. The stewards gave an advantage to lewis early and later they decided to let them race it out. lewis could have pitted for new tires same as max, but stayed out on old tires.
So, I am happy.

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[Bikeman315]

Hello; Just finished watching the recorded race. Max got the win he deserved. Things played out for him this time. I had thought the handout to lewis on the first lap when he went off track to keep the lead was the end of it. The stewards gave an advantage to lewis early and later they decided to let them race it out. lewis could have pitted for new tires same as max, but stayed out on old tires.
So, I am happy.

I would agree that after a very, very hard season Max was deserving but he also knew he was given he championship by Masi. His call reversal at the last second so that they could have one final race lap was right out of the Nascar handbook. Heck, I do not like races ending under a yellow, but I would have preferred Max win that way than the way he did.

As far as the lap one incident, the stewards made their bed in Brazil and had to sleep in it in Abu Dhabi. That's the problem with bad calls. Then tend to repeat over and over.

 

[sk47]

Hello; After the first lap decision by the stewards the mouth pieces calling the race felt lewis had been given an unfair advantage. RB protested but was shut down. RB went on to race all the way to the end and made a good call to change tires.
I am sure MB will moan and complain along with all the lewis fanboys.
I will say this. F1 is pretty crappy overall any more. Only two teams with a chance to win unless some freak weather or incident happens. The engines sound like crud. The stewards are making opposing decisions from race to race and sometimes in the same race. Too many times the outcomes have been decided by the stewards.
I have been following F1 since the 1960's. At first only from reading Road & Track weeks after the events. The last few years I keep watching more from habit than from interest. I do not hold much hope things will be any better next year.

 

[Bikeman315]

After the first lap decision by the stewards the mouth pieces calling the race felt lewis had been given an unfair advantage.

Of course, that's what they do.

RB went on to race all the way to the end and made a good call to change tires.

The tire strategy was a Hail Mary. Because of the Latifi crash it made Horner look like a genius. In hindsight, he was.

I am sure MB will moan and complain along with all the lewis fanboys.

They (MB) already have. And although I am an unabashed Lewis fan my anger is targeted at Masi not Max, Christian or RB. He twisted a long standing rule to get the outcome he wanted (a final lap under green). In doing so he made a mockery of the championship. He needs to go.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

There were more but that is really not the point. A decision was made moments before to not let lapped cars passed by Masi. He changed his mind at the last second because he knew he could get one last lap in if he only let the cars between Lewis and Max through. He also knew Max was on fresh reds vs. Lewis' worn whites. Only a total fool could not figure out what the outcome would be. Masi may be a moron but he is not a fool. A championship coming down to a ridiculous call by the race director is not what anyone wanted. Charlie Whiting must be rolling in his grave.

You are certainly right about luck though. If it were not for Latifi's accident none of this would have happened. Kind of ironic that he was in a Mercedes powered car.

That's what protests are for. I could care less if the results get changed.

 

[Biggsy]

Don't think there were more. Normally they are given more time to catch back up. But it's crazy for any race fan to prefer a race end under a safety car because of that. A race fan shouldn't mind it, but sure shouldn't want it. Obviously, a driver or team might want it, but no fan should unless they were a fan of a driver more than a fan of racing.

Great season, great race, great last lap. Mercedes and Lewis were the come back kings for sure after having a worse car in the beginning.

Only thing that would make the last lap better although I don't think it would matter any more than Lewis not giving back what he gained on the first lap, would be if they red flagged instead of safety car. That way they would both be on the same tires. As it was Mercedes didn't pit because they thought it might finish under yellow.

Of course, none of this is "the" reason one person or another won the championship, just why one won a race. I mean, in F1 drivers a lap down have gone on to podium IIRC because of the rule that lets lapped cars back on the lead lap. So, pure luck between no points and podium. Always going to be some luck. The more races the better chance it evens out.

I didnt think about them doing a red flag. I agree, if anything, it should restarted under red and have them both on soft tires. I would like to see a rule put in place that if there is at max 2 more laps if a yellow occurs under 10 laps and lasts more than 3 laps or something of the sort. But I guess that will just go back to your point of just red flagging it.

This was a total clusterf-ck. But had all cars been allowed to pass as per the rules they would have not gotten the last lap in. That's what Masi wanted so he bent the rules to his liking.

That rule reads: “If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message 'LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE' has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the Safety.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...-after-safety-car.5oNwx2opecswnQ5S70O1cY.html

that rule change was pretty confusing lol. One min its one thing then something else the next. Wish the could add more laps under those conditions. Im sure Lewis and Merc will be out for blood next year

 

[Inthehighdesert]

You don’t get to have it both ways. When all the calls favored Hamilton, and he benefited that was ok and no criticism of Masi. Now you don’t agree, and you criticize Masi. Hamilton got a pass at the beginning of this race as well. It is what it is. They were going to finish this race under green no matter what. Mercedes did not pit, not on the virtual nor the safety car, that’s on them. They knew Redbull was going to pit. They’ve always moved the lapped cars out of the way for the leaders to race, the exception being in the rain. The FIA and Masi have done a complete crap job with this season for the record.

Of course, that's what they do.


The tire strategy was a Hail Mary. Because of the Latifi crash it made Horner look like a genius. In hindsight, he was.


They (MB) already have. And although I am an unabashed Lewis fan my anger is targeted at Masi not Max, Christian or RB. He twisted a long standing rule to get the outcome he wanted (a final lap under green). In doing so he made a mockery of the championship. He needs to go.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I didnt think about them doing a red flag. I agree, if anything, it should restarted under red and have them both on soft tires. I would like to see a rule put in place that if there is at max 2 more laps if a yellow occurs under 10 laps and lasts more than 3 laps or something of the sort. But I guess that will just go back to your point of just red flagging it.

I have little use for NASCAR other than Cup road courses and Super Modifieds. But had to chuckle when someone used NASCAR as a pejorative since NASCAR insists races end with a green, white, checker no matter how long it takes. LoL That would have guaranteed Max and Lewis both on red tires and two laps to fight.

 

[XeninWorX]

Even if Lewis gave the place to Max on lap 1, Lewis would have caught up to Max or Max’s tires would have worn out quicker trying keep Lewis at bay. The Merc is faster with a full tank.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Even if Lewis gave the place to Max on lap 1, Lewis would have caught up to Max or Max’s tires would have worn out quicker trying keep Lewis at bay. The Merc is faster with a full tank.

Yeah, like I said earlier, Lewis should have given up what he gained, but it was never going to make any difference in the results.

 

[sk47]

Even if Lewis gave the place to Max on lap 1, Lewis would have caught up to Max or Max’s tires would have worn out quicker trying keep Lewis at bay. The Merc is faster with a full tank.

Hello; Granted the MB was quicker today and somehow the last couple of races than it was a few races before. So had he been forced to do the right thing and give up the position, his car was quick enough to re-pass the TB and motor on. But he was given a gift on lap one.
At the time of the turn incident the RB was ahead by a nose. I never saw Lewis let the RB back in front in the next laps.
Too many times the conflicts have been decided in the lewis/MB favor the last couple of years.

I think of the NASCAR driver Geoff Bodine when I hear Lewis speak during a race. We called him Bowhine back in the day. Lewis strikes me as a whiner most times when he talks. But such is just my perception.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Hello; Granted the MB was quicker today and somehow the last couple of races than it was a few races before. So had he been forced to do the right thing and give up the position, his car was quick enough to re-pass the TB and motor on. But he was given a gift on lap one.

The rule for that situation was to give up the gap gained by cutting the corner. He wasn't going to be asked to give up a position for that. And the officials took the stance that Lewis did just that before they could order him to. Of course the question is how far behind was Max that Lewis had to restore? I mean if it was from the point Lewis went off track, the distance was zero. The officials picked some other point, maybe where they guessed the latest Max could brake and leave room for both cars on the track. No way any two people would say the exact same advantage was gained. Since they knew, as we all do, it really didn't matter just get on with the race.

I think of the NASCAR driver Geoff Bodine when I hear Lewis speak during a race. We called him Bowhine back in the day. Lewis strikes me as a whiner most times when he talks. But such is just my perception.

The team knows how he is and it's just how some drivers react to the stress of the moment. Plus, how can anyone spend much time around Toto and not be a whiner? LoL When the adrenaline has subsided, he doesn't whine. Actually, very gracious. More than most race drivers.

 

[XeninWorX]

Me being a Lewis fan, thought he should have given the position back. Because I know he has the faster car so he’ll get back the position anyways.

They should get rid of cars being able to unlap themselves during a safety car. You’re essentially restarting the race instead of resuming it.

 

[sk47]

The rule for that situation was to give up the gap gained by cutting the corner. He wasn't going to be asked to give up a position for that. And the officials took the stance that Lewis did just that before they could order him to. Of course the question is how far behind was Max that Lewis had to restore? I mean if it was from the point Lewis went off track, the distance was zero. The officials picked some other point, maybe where they guessed the latest Max could brake and leave room for both cars on the track. No way any two people would say the exact same advantage was gained. Since they knew, as we all do, it really didn't matter just get on with the race.


The team knows how he is and it's just how some drivers react to the stress of the moment. Plus, how can anyone spend much time around Toto and not be a whiner? LoL When the adrenaline has subsided, he doesn't whine. Actually, very gracious. More than most race drivers.

Hello; the only time I hear him talk is during a race, so my impression stands as far as I am concerned. I do not watch the pre-race or post-race interviews.

 

[Timeless]

Well as typical of the season, a cluster.

I was shocked the race did not end under safety car actually...and even more shocked the rules were broken to allow a final lap of a select few cars.

Max had the better tires and made the lunge he always does. Lewis had to either wreck or give the place. I bet he wishes he had chanced the wreck at this point.

Hate to see it go down in this manner.

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